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What are your thoughts on PR?

What are your thoughts on PR?

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Itchy Pig Records's picture
Out For The Count
Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:53
Hi all,

I have not been in the game as long as many and was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on both self promotion and using PR companies with this.

At a time when it is hard to get your sounds heard, what is your advice on pushing your music to the platform that many can hear.

Many thanks,

Leeroy aka Sir Vinyl Instinct
Owner and general pesterer @ Itchy Pig Records

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lurkster (not verified)
#1
Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:31
Good question Leeroy,

No clue myself but it always helps to have a response of some form in the thread; the fact that somebody has replied seems to pull more in for some reason! Baa...
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Count Arthur Strong
#2
Wed, 06/06/2012 - 19:58
If you want to enjoy it and stay creative do the work yourself. Take ownership of your skill.

If you're not bothered and are happy to pay someone else a cut then look into PR.

It's the difference between being employed or being self-employed.

In my opinion.

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Count Dracula
#3
Thu, 07/06/2012 - 19:18
What exactly does a PR firm do for artists? Place ads? Or get mags to do articles on you?
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Count Dracula
#4
Thu, 07/06/2012 - 20:10
Do it yourself.
If the products good enough, you'll never need any PR.
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Count Dracula
#5
Thu, 07/06/2012 - 23:32
dROpS wrote:
What exactly does a PR firm do for artists? Place ads? Or get mags to do articles on you?


spam the life out of forums?
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Count Dracula
#6
Fri, 08/06/2012 - 22:32
Itchy Pig Records wrote:
Hi all,

I have not been in the game as long as many and was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on both self promotion and using PR companies with this.

At a time when it is hard to get your sounds heard, what is your advice on pushing your music to the platform that many can hear.

Many thanks,

Leeroy aka Sir Vinyl Instinct
Owner and general pesterer @ Itchy Pig Records



It's all horses for courses Leeroy. I hate to say it because a lot of people get suckered by bad PR, but a good dedicated PR person is worth their weight in my opinion. There are simply not enough hours in the day to do a decent PR job if you're having to do everything else.

My PR guy has more holidays each year then I do and appears, on the surface, to have a well-paid, stress-free job with plenty of downtime. In other words the kind of gig that would suit me just fine. Plus I seem to keep ending up doing his bloody mailouts for him due to his intense holiday schedules. But the mere fact that he can deal with the demands of journalists, bloggers and the co-ordination of many diverse personalities in order to get coverage for Harmless releases means that he's a necessary evil, the bastard....

So, yes, of course you're dealing with a particular breed of blood-sucking leech but, nonetheless, one who has the responsibiliy for getting your releases to the front of a sea of mediocrity in this information age.

So, just work it out. Can your release sell a couple of thousand via your own methods, or can it sell 20,000 with a shit-hot PR campaign?

It's always a gamble and the last few years have shaken out the dross so it's a bit easier now. Work out which releases you need the big guns on and budget accordingly.

Best of luck. That was a brave question to air on an open forum but it's an area of intense interest for many!

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Fri, 08/06/2012 - 23:37
i don't have a record label so i've never needed a pr myself, but i've been sent thousands of records, cds and files. there are some pr companies (very few tbh) who's stuff i'll listen to straight away and i'll listen to everything they send me. i'll only like some of it, but as i know they do proper, quality stuff i'll open their emails as soon as i see them.

so, if you do go down that road, choose your pr company wisely. it may be worth paying more for the best. they will all be able to reach tons of people you won't - but they won't all have the same kind of impact on the people they are mailing out to.
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Out For The Count
#8
Sun, 10/06/2012 - 14:37
mandu wrote:
dROpS wrote:
What exactly does a PR firm do for artists? Place ads? Or get mags to do articles on you?


spam the life out of forums?


Ian Dewhirst wrote:
Itchy Pig Records wrote:
Hi all,

I have not been in the game as long as many and was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on both self promotion and using PR companies with this.

At a time when it is hard to get your sounds heard, what is your advice on pushing your music to the platform that many can hear.

Many thanks,

Leeroy aka Sir Vinyl Instinct
Owner and general pesterer @ Itchy Pig Records



It's all horses for courses Leeroy. I hate to say it because a lot of people get suckered by bad PR, but a good dedicated PR person is worth their weight in my opinion. There are simply not enough hours in the day to do a decent PR job if you're having to do everything else.

My PR guy has more holidays each year then I do and appears, on the surface, to have a well-paid, stress-free job with plenty of downtime. In other words the kind of gig that would suit me just fine. Plus I seem to keep ending up doing his bloody mailouts for him due to his intense holiday schedules. But the mere fact that he can deal with the demands of journalists, bloggers and the co-ordination of many diverse personalities in order to get coverage for Harmless releases means that he's a necessary evil, the bastard....

So, yes, of course you're dealing with a particular breed of blood-sucking leech but, nonetheless, one who has the responsibiliy for getting your releases to the front of a sea of mediocrity in this information age.

So, just work it out. Can your release sell a couple of thousand via your own methods, or can it sell 20,000 with a shit-hot PR campaign?

It's always a gamble and the last few years have shaken out the dross so it's a bit easier now. Work out which releases you need the big guns on and budget accordingly.

Best of luck. That was a brave question to air on an open forum but it's an area of intense interest for many!

Ian D Smile





Quality advice and given freely. Top stuff Ian.

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Count Dracula
#9
Sun, 10/06/2012 - 19:42
Agreed, interesting insight Ian and Dave.
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Out For The Count
#10
Mon, 11/06/2012 - 13:38
Wow huge thanks to everyone for putting your advice down on here. Being a label that works with various genres I always wonder how I can market my artists and am always thriving to improve my methods to give them the coverage they deserve.

This is always going to be an area I will strive to improve and I thank everyone for taking the time to offer your advice on this.

A much appreciated,

Leeroy
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Out For The Count
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Wed, 04/07/2012 - 10:44
The problem in some of those partnerships is that they start to be the boss of you. And though you pretty much could handle everything on your own, it's as if they start to consider things to work right about what they say and what they have going.

I would likely consider to go and be creative on my own but people who are looking to be more known faster, would surely be willing to take this route.
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