is that billy joel song?
I understand Greg's sentiment that if we don't name it then something will be fosited upon us by the media but how can we pull together so many disparate threads conveniently into one handy catchphrase?
Like Pipecock pointed out, we all come together from all ends of the musical spectrum. Some of us older ones have seen our way through several scenes. What brings us together is desire to present great music "properly" (as Bill would say) and a rejection of the blinkered musical "genre fascism" that has become prevalent amonst DJ's, Promotors and Journalists over the last decade or so. As an earlier poster pointed out, it's a feeling more than anything else. How do we neatly tie that up?
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QUOTE]I like what somone was saying about the introducing eclectisism and roots back into dance music , i think for a lot of younger listeners it's good to hear the inluences on there music house ,techno etc and like i've witnessed at Al's MDD and seeing Greg playout theres till a wealth of great tunes that move the dancefloor.
aside from the young listeners, its just good for the perception of dance music by all people for it to have a history and for it to be more than just a banging club beat that many people associate with it. if we want people to care about this stuff in 20 years, there has to be a reason. it sure isnt going to be people digging 1998 prog house or 2007 mnml out of the crates of the local record shop that is gonna do it. its inspiring to see Wax Poetics trying to do this for the hiphop scene, creating a sense of how jazz soul and funk ARE hiphop music. and in the same way, this scene does the same thing for house and techno and electro, etc. today's marketing has led everything to be disposable: music, culture, whatever. only with a defined history can we help buck that trend and see it move into the future in a positive manner.
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I would like to see 'our' music getting to a wider audience as it may help the unsung heros get a bit more dj work and would make it more economically viable to record our types of underground music
But would more exposure raise the production values? I am not sure - the people that do well in a larger scale sense in djing often seem to play a slightly watered down version of the hard core roots of their scene imo.
They play more inclusive music. I think this trend would develop as the opportunities increased. I would rather the music remained more cutting edge and didn't try to pander to a 'new' audience.
Also in a production context I have noticed that a lot of artists seem to lose their touch when they become better known and they have expectation set upon them rather than having a point to prove...
If our scene had a name and blew up - would it help the quality? NO
Surely the increase in awareness will improve peoples fiscal situations rather than the music quality - a la the evolution of disco/hiphop/minimal/dubstep etc.
When scenes start blowing up it often doesn't equal quality output from clubs,djs or producers....
It IS available to us - just not to those who don't seek it out. Without being elitist - will they love it if it's handed to them on a plate?
This may seem contradictory to my previous post about wanting a wider audience - but on reflection - I think I would be put off the music if it became too populist. I know this seems daft - but we're talking about psychology here... It's not always about what something sounds like - it's got a whole social identity wrapped up in it..
This is a real hornets nest, isn't it?
I have come to the conclusion after a number of years that, like Greg, the lack of easy tagging for nights that play anything and everything is something that makes life difficult for random punters and those that aren't heavily into the sort of open-minded eclecticism many on this board champion. This is also true of the lack of "mainstream" recognition for many of the best DJs whose style reflects this - in many places (in the UK and beyond), many of the DJs are simply not well known enough to be a big pull outside of the hardcore who frequent boards like this.
Generally speaking, the regular parties that have been most successful have been ones in major UK cities. They've also benefited from building up a crowd over a long period of time, this creating their own mini "scene" in their own city/town. Therefore they can book more underground names/scene heroes, because the crowd they have built up - old and young, black and white, straight and gay, girls and boys - is committed to the party and feel part of something special.
When we launched best before: in Bristol four years ago, it was born out of a desire to have a cool little below-stairs party where we could play great music - regardless of genre/style - book DJs we admired and we knew would rock it, and ensure that a lot of people had great fun dancing to the sort of music that just wasn't being played in the city. Bristol has a tradition of eclectic nights - well, there was the Dug Out, which was legendary - though that seemed to die out in the late 80s/early 90s. When we decided to launch the night - at a venue that had never before held club nights and was very much a "well kept secret" - Bristol clubbers had a choice between a couple of decent but under-populated house nights, loads of breaks, drum & bass and hip-hop events, and some huge Slinky style bashes at the Academy. We believed that people would be into a party where it was just about good music and good times.
But how do you sell such a night? Because we thought "it's about the party" we shied away from saying "we play x, Y and X" and instead sold it on the eclectic party thing - "eclectic treats for basement freaks" and "Bristol basement beats" were our original tag lines. We also used "Bristol's Balearic Basement" for Tricky Disco, which confused 'em even more. In a bid to explain it all, we even did our own online "manifesto" to explain it, which can still be seen here: http://www.bestbefore.org/manifesto.html
Not knowing how to sell such a night (though we tried hard) was probably our undoing. Now we just tell people it's a party and that you're guaranteed a good time. These days our events are smaller and tend to just be about a load of people who love good music dancing in pubs or small clubs to good DJs, whether local, national or international. I've given up trying to convert people - if we do that along the way, it'll be a good bonus. The good news is quite a few of our regulars are in their 20s… in fact, the vast majority are. There's not millions of them, but it's growing… there are people out there, you just have to find them if they don't find you. The internet is very good for this - myspace, facebook, forums etc.
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I really like the thought of promoting a party for party people, rather than a house/techno/techhouse night, and so on.
That's generally what most people on here do already, though.Quote:
Im picking that up now - you might see from my post count, im new around these parts
Im picking that up now - you might see from my post count, im new around these parts
there are lots of good points made already... in a lot of ways I have a more extreme experience of this being way out in the bottom end of the planet where peope have no real idea of what Cosmic is, that Disco continues to advance and evolve, that Balearic is so diverse, or even worse that tempo's can or should vary etc. and as such have no real interest in it or know what kind of alternative it is...
I don't have an answer but i think a. that the types of music involved does mean it wont ever go mainstream, or is atleast unlikely. b. that the name should describe in some way the experience the music offers, i realise this is subjective but i cant help thinking that so many of the nu sounds are infact linked by a kind of psychadelia or cosmic feeling (note - with a little c) and c. perhaps it could also suggest a kind of growth, range and advancement...
just thinking out aloud...
To a lot of people in the UK, disco means silly afro wigs, crap student nights and DJs getting on the mic talking rubbish in that weird mid-atlantic accent all commercial club DJs have. Similarly, 'Balearic' doesn't mean anything to 99.9% of peopleâ€¦ or worse they think it means you play "Ibiza terrace sty;le trance". Er, no.
Most people have no idea about cosmic disco either, though they'll usually like the name. "Sounds spaced-out!" etc
Shine your shoes and head for the Crucible. Brush the baize and keep the crowd in check.
One of the conclusions I've made on my travels is the fact that because there isn't a name for this whole Disco, Boogie, Cosmic, Space, Balearic, Electro-Funk, Re-Edits type vibe, a lot of younger people, who really like it, having stumbled upon a one-off night, go away without being able to explain what they've just been listening to, and not knowing where else they can hear this music.
" touched her thigh and death smiled "
"musical natural selection"
Like when gatecrasher burned down?
I hear what you're saying, but remember that many people who discovered that Rizla area over Bestival weekend won't know where to go to catch a similar vibe once they head home, They'll be talking to their friends, saying what a brilliant time they had, but that's probably as far as it'll go until next year when they turn up at Bestival, or a similar festival again and stumble upon a similar type of area. The sad thing is that there are, no doubt, nights in their home city (or nearest city) that they'd love, but they haven't got a clue where they are, or that they're connected to the vibe they experienced at Bestival.
Worst of all, it's mainly the girls who we're talking about here. On this board we've got our ears to the ground with regards to what's happening, but the overwhelming majority of people on DJ History (and most other related forums) are blokes. We seriously need to find a way to balance this out - it's absolutely vital.
not trying to be a jerk or anything.. but..i have really noticed something..
why is it always the british who have to name everything? is it a cultural thing? is it not valid if you can't put a label on it?
just let it happen.. it is all disco to me..
isn't it quite nice in a way that people have to make an effort about the music?
people don't need to be obsessed with what a track is. thousands of people used to go to house clubs every week and never gave a shit what any of the records were called. i don't see the difference with disco nights tbh.
...would you give me some information on learning hip-hop dance in Hollywood?
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