Sneak's unfortunately addressing the symptoms not the cause - he fails to recognise that the SHM are representative of how millions see dance culture now. The internet changed the game and opened up dance music production to people with no roots whatsoever. Throw in celebrity mania and some shrewd marketing and there you have it. The only interesting question is whether there will be a backlash, but against what or whom, when there's no focal point? I was at the gym earlier and forgot my headphones and had to endure what was on screen. I emerged from there wondering at what pop went from being cheesy to actually traumatising? is it just age or was it so long ago that someone like gnarls berkely could still get to #1 in the charts?
Sneak's unfortunately addressing the symptoms not the cause - he fails to recognise that the SHM are representative of how millions see dance culture now. The internet changed the game and opened up dance music production to people with no roots whatsoever. Throw in celebrity mania and some shrewd marketing and there you have it. The only interesting question is whether there will be a backlash, but against what or whom, when there's no focal point?
+1 (thanks for saving me the keystrokes - it's a customer-driven thing. They were just merely supplying what certain people wanted)
Pot, meet kettle... ah! no introduction necessary, it would seem. To give my $0.02, the years after Disco allegedly 'died' in late '79 (for Joe SixPack) were the strongest for the underground as well as on the radio and sales, and what very much begat the unstoppable juggernaut of House and Techno in the mid-80's.
We were around before this circus, and undoubtedly long after it will have left town.
Steady now. Stay on course...! No point in getting distracted by the roadkill.
Sneak's unfortunately addressing the symptoms not the cause - he fails to recognise that the SHM are representative of how millions see dance culture now. The internet changed the game and opened up dance music production to people with no roots whatsoever. Throw in celebrity mania and some shrewd marketing and there you have it. The only interesting question is whether there will be a backlash, but against what or whom, when there's no focal point?
+1 (thanks for saving me the keystrokes - it's a customer-driven thing. They were just merely supplying what certain people wanted)
Pot, meet kettle... ah! no introduction necessary, it would seem. To give my $0.02, the years after Disco allegedly 'died' in late '79 (for Joe SixPack) were the strongest for the underground as well as on the radio and sales, and what very much begat the unstoppable juggernaut of House and Techno in the mid-80's.
We were around before this circus, and undoubtedly long after it will have left town.
Steady now. Stay on course...! No point in getting distracted by the roadkill.
wise words, but could also be that today's 2012 skrillex/SHM fan is 2017's committed non mainstream music fan/consumer/producer/dj, EDM could be a big old hyped up gateway/entry point into a world that always needs new blood/energy/support - the commercial ripples will start to appear beyond the obvious EDM-pop dance pond pretty quickly as well I reckon, eg : DEMF being hyped as the alternative/counterpoint to Ultra Fest/EDM this year, but also at the same time, implicitly gaining exposure/energy from the overall positive dance/electronic picture
wise words, but could also be that today's 2012 skrillex/SHM fan is 2017's committed non mainstream music fan/consumer/producer/dj, EDM could be a big old hyped up gateway/entry point into a world that always needs new blood/energy/support - the commercial ripples will start to appear beyond the obvious EDM-pop dance pond pretty quickly as well I reckon, eg : DEMF being hyped as the alternative/counterpoint to Ultra Fest/EDM this year, but also at the same time, implicitly gaining exposure/energy from the overall positive dance/electronic picture
From a US perspective, Skrillex fans are for the most part quite different from Avicii / SHM type clubbers and far more sophisticated (even if the UK dubstep crowd looks down on him). He doesn't play for the 'bottle service' crowd. different things, really.
wise words, but could also be that today's 2012 skrillex/SHM fan is 2017's committed non mainstream music fan/consumer/producer/dj, EDM could be a big old hyped up gateway/entry point into a world that always needs new blood/energy/support - the commercial ripples will start to appear beyond the obvious EDM-pop dance pond pretty quickly as well I reckon, eg : DEMF being hyped as the alternative/counterpoint to Ultra Fest/EDM this year, but also at the same time, implicitly gaining exposure/energy from the overall positive dance/electronic picture
From a US perspective, Skrillex fans are for the most part quite different from Avicii / SHM type clubbers and far more sophisticated (even if the UK dubstep crowd looks down on him). He doesn't play for the 'bottle service' crowd. different things, really.
different fans, but both feeding into the same EDM $$$ machine, Skrillex playing to 20 K midwest crowds, SHM playing to 20 k Madison SQ Gdn crowds etc.
wise words, but could also be that today's 2012 skrillex/SHM fan is 2017's committed non mainstream music fan/consumer/producer/dj, EDM could be a big old hyped up gateway/entry point into a world that always needs new blood/energy/support - the commercial ripples will start to appear beyond the obvious EDM-pop dance pond pretty quickly as well I reckon, eg : DEMF being hyped as the alternative/counterpoint to Ultra Fest/EDM this year, but also at the same time, implicitly gaining exposure/energy from the overall positive dance/electronic picture
Truth innit. I had very little taste and discernment as a youngster. On the plus side, the current boom in terrible music has meant I can get a lot of paid DJ work. I might have to play music I'm not into, but it's better than working in McDonalds...
it's just a cycle to lower the cost of a dj for the people behind the scenes. why pay dj's millions when you can replace them with the new wave of dj popstars for less money?
it's impossible to stop this bumrush...it will continue until everything breaks...
things will break, the dust will settle and we'll be back to the roots... i just hope i can find some electricity to power my studio and dj rig.
Sneak's unfortunately addressing the symptoms not the cause - he fails to recognise that the SHM are representative of how millions see dance culture now. The internet changed the game and opened up dance music production to people with no roots whatsoever. Throw in celebrity mania and some shrewd marketing and there you have it. ?
Unfortunately the majority are in to the SHM and the like because of a need to conform which has always been part of youth culture and if they told there friends they just bought the new Almunia 12 inch they would be looked at as if they were crazy .
To be fair if I came on here praising the new Tiesto track I would be shot down !!!
One of the world's finest DJ's - Mr.C - letting loose about the idiot cheese-merchant that is Deadmau5, great stuff altogether!
"Deadmau5 is a complete & utter wanker (now there's a surprise). So yes, he can count up to 4, but that doesn't mean the cunt can mix. Also, mixing isn't about counting to 4, it's about selecting the right record at the right time to CAPTURE THE MOMENT in creating extended long DJ mixes (beat matching) that make the tunes sound like live remixes. FYI Deadmau5, there's a magic that happens when 2 tunes are mixed properly together by a real DJ, & I don't mean by a software program as in truth, when a DJ sync's the bpm & tracks, the mixes aren't that tight & the magic doesn't really happen, that magic only comes when it's correct. Now you run along & carry on button pushing to play your cheesy pre organized shit to children in fluffy boots & stop bothering us adults all with your uninformed opinions & lies. FUCK YOU IN EVERY ORIFICE."
There was a meme floating around the interwebs a few days ago where there were three pics from Swedish newspapers. The first pic was the outrageous claim that SHM is the Beatles of this generation. Then there was "Yoko Ono on secret visit to Stockholm". The third was of course "SHM breaks up".
who cares? btw, are they the stars of that video floating around here last year (?) showing some skilled sound engineers seriously debating around a studio mixer?
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There was a meme floating around the interwebs a few days ago where there were three pics from Swedish newspapers. The first pic was the outrageous claim that SHM is the Beatles of this generation. Then there was "Yoko Ono on secret visit to Stockholm". The third was of course "SHM breaks up".
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Well done Daniel. I shall take a cue from you and not add anything either. Arf.
Seriously, though, I don't know whether to dance in the streets or weep. Things are still shit, after all, however pleasing it is we don't have to put up with SHM's bullshit anymore.
I can't believe anyone give a flying fuck about EDM. It's rubbish mass produced music for people that don't know better. And is that a new thing? Of course not, there's always been rubbish mass produced music for people that don't know better. Who cares? It has zero impact on my life or anything I do.
I think DJ Sneak has made a right twat of himself with his Twitter crusade. Lest we forget, he was also slagging of European DJ (like Villalobos etc) a few years ago for similar lack of US house cred. I'm no fan of that but much as I like some of his stuff, Sneak ain't exactly pushing the envelope anymore and it just sounds like sour-I-ain't-getting-the-bookings-grapes.
Basically, a stadium full of white Amercian kids are never going into what he does, so he isn't missing out at all.
As for AGCG, he sounds like he's gone a bit mental.
we don't have to put up with SHM's bullshit anymore.
think again. it was a three headed monster that has now split into separate beasts. i'm sure this is all down to money.
let's say SHM got £20 - 30k for a gig, after all they put bums on seats in big arenas. the 3 lads (and their management) obviously realise they can get £15 - 20k each if they play on their own, with the the flyers stating "ex-SHM". promoters around the world go crazy because SHM can now do 3 gigs around the world on the same night, because they'll be playing the same shit as each other anyway.
Would have thought they were making a lot more loot than that per gig. And f**k all overheads too.
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we don't have to put up with SHM's bullshit anymore.
think again. it was a three headed monster that has now split into separate beasts. i'm sure this is all down to money.
let's say SHM got £20 - 30k for a gig, after all they put bums on seats in big arenas. the 3 lads (and their management) obviously realise they can get £15 - 20k each if they play on their own, with the the flyers stating "ex-SHM". promoters around the world go crazy because SHM can now do 3 gigs around the world on the same night, because they'll be playing the same shit as each other anyway.
at the end of the day, real house and techno have always been minority interests. it's just that now, that minority is probably smaller than ever. what can you do?
at the end of the day, real house and techno have always been minority interests. it's just that now, that minority is probably smaller than ever. what can you do?
And I like it like that. Underground music for people that care. Perfect.
at the end of the day, real house and techno have always been minority interests. it's just that now, that minority is probably smaller than ever. what can you do?
And I like it like that. Underground music for people that care. Perfect.
seconded. too much exposition brings less committment and more twats around.
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+1 (thanks for saving me the keystrokes - it's a customer-driven thing. They were just merely supplying what certain people wanted)
Pot, meet kettle... ah! no introduction necessary, it would seem. To give my $0.02, the years after Disco allegedly 'died' in late '79 (for Joe SixPack) were the strongest for the underground as well as on the radio and sales, and what very much begat the unstoppable juggernaut of House and Techno in the mid-80's.
We were around before this circus, and undoubtedly long after it will have left town.
Steady now. Stay on course...! No point in getting distracted by the roadkill.
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wise words, but could also be that today's 2012 skrillex/SHM fan is 2017's committed non mainstream music fan/consumer/producer/dj, EDM could be a big old hyped up gateway/entry point into a world that always needs new blood/energy/support - the commercial ripples will start to appear beyond the obvious EDM-pop dance pond pretty quickly as well I reckon, eg : DEMF being hyped as the alternative/counterpoint to Ultra Fest/EDM this year, but also at the same time, implicitly gaining exposure/energy from the overall positive dance/electronic picture
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From a US perspective, Skrillex fans are for the most part quite different from Avicii / SHM type clubbers and far more sophisticated (even if the UK dubstep crowd looks down on him). He doesn't play for the 'bottle service' crowd. different things, really.
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different fans, but both feeding into the same EDM $$$ machine, Skrillex playing to 20 K midwest crowds, SHM playing to 20 k Madison SQ Gdn crowds etc.
it's impossible to stop this bumrush...it will continue until everything breaks...
things will break, the dust will settle and we'll be back to the roots... i just hope i can find some electricity to power my studio and dj rig.
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Unfortunately the majority are in to the SHM and the like because of a need to conform which has always been part of youth culture and if they told there friends they just bought the new Almunia 12 inch they would be looked at as if they were crazy .
To be fair if I came on here praising the new Tiesto track I would be shot down !!!
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A Guy Called Gerald has got in first: http://www.guycalledgerald.com/blog/message-to-rat-head/
"Deadmau5 is a complete & utter wanker (now there's a surprise). So yes, he can count up to 4, but that doesn't mean the cunt can mix. Also, mixing isn't about counting to 4, it's about selecting the right record at the right time to CAPTURE THE MOMENT in creating extended long DJ mixes (beat matching) that make the tunes sound like live remixes. FYI Deadmau5, there's a magic that happens when 2 tunes are mixed properly together by a real DJ, & I don't mean by a software program as in truth, when a DJ sync's the bpm & tracks, the mixes aren't that tight & the magic doesn't really happen, that magic only comes when it's correct. Now you run along & carry on button pushing to play your cheesy pre organized shit to children in fluffy boots & stop bothering us adults all with your uninformed opinions & lies. FUCK YOU IN EVERY ORIFICE."
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who cares? btw, are they the stars of that video floating around here last year (?) showing some skilled sound engineers seriously debating around a studio mixer?
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Well done Daniel. I shall take a cue from you and not add anything either. Arf.
Seriously, though, I don't know whether to dance in the streets or weep. Things are still shit, after all, however pleasing it is we don't have to put up with SHM's bullshit anymore.
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I think DJ Sneak has made a right twat of himself with his Twitter crusade. Lest we forget, he was also slagging of European DJ (like Villalobos etc) a few years ago for similar lack of US house cred. I'm no fan of that but much as I like some of his stuff, Sneak ain't exactly pushing the envelope anymore and it just sounds like sour-I-ain't-getting-the-bookings-grapes.
Basically, a stadium full of white Amercian kids are never going into what he does, so he isn't missing out at all.
As for AGCG, he sounds like he's gone a bit mental.
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think again. it was a three headed monster that has now split into separate beasts. i'm sure this is all down to money.
let's say SHM got £20 - 30k for a gig, after all they put bums on seats in big arenas. the 3 lads (and their management) obviously realise they can get £15 - 20k each if they play on their own, with the the flyers stating "ex-SHM". promoters around the world go crazy because SHM can now do 3 gigs around the world on the same night, because they'll be playing the same shit as each other anyway.
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Only a fool would say that
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And I like it like that. Underground music for people that care. Perfect.
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seconded. too much exposition brings less committment and more twats around.
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