Presonus Studio One - anyone tried it?

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Wed, 01/02/2012 - 20:00

A while ago I heard it was the shit people like Rob Gordon in Sheffield going mental over the sound quality over other daws eg cubase.

V2 was supposed to come out in Nov but still no sign. Any other feedback on it?

Apologies i tried this on the Production bit but noone replied!

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Wed, 01/02/2012 - 21:46

Not tried it, had a dire experience with Presonus hardware once and swore never again but it was some time ago. The version 2 appears to be available here though.

http://studioone.presonus.com/shop/

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:44

biting my tongue as best I can... if you're on a PC you should be ok. All feedback on sound quality (for most of their stuff really) is good.

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:21

well yes, it was a Mac that I was working (or not) with

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 08:20

Im on pc so thats ok. The other thing about it is supposedly the intuitive layout, amazing ease of use and the 'blazing work rate' as they call it. Any reports re that?

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 15:06

for edits the 'new' secret weapon has got to be steinbergs sequel3.....

the quality of a daw is mainly down to 2 factors.

the stretch algorithm and the sample rate conversion of it's filters.

steinberg now use really good ones on all their stuff.

you can compare some software here but it hasn't been updated for ages.

http://src.infinitewave.ca/

for what it's worth the hardware will make a lot more difference to the sound than the software in the 'not touching the sound' stakes....in other words before the likes of us mash up the eq and filters etc etc....

i have also had a few issues with presonus hardware in the past!

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:39

darrylfunk wrote:

for edits the 'new' secret weapon has got to be steinbergs sequel3.....

I just watched the advert on the steinberg website for that product

I now have no further hope for the future of humanity

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 18:18

yes it is easy to do edits on.... but the creative person can now make really funky stuff without abletonizing the arse out of the groove....

i'm more wary of people who do edits but then pass them off as their own music....heard quite a few tracks where the only original bit is the kick drum stuffed on and old 80's track and a sidechain comp....in my book that is not songwriting and it's really annoying.....lucky if you get away with it......

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 20:01

I got a cut down Artist version of Studio One included when a bought my Firestudio and quickly upgraded to the producer edition .

It does have a 'blazing work rate ' and is a pleasure to use . The built in FX are great especially the Pro EQ , Compressor and Reverb that remind me so much of my Sonnox Oxford plugins that I swear they are by Sonnox .

I don't want to get into 'my Daw sound's better than your Daw ' debate but Studio One seems to have a more open , expansive sound than Logic or Protools ( Cubase 6 sounds similar) .

There is a unlimited 30 day demo on their website if you want to give it spin .

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 21:38

it certainly has nice plug ins inccluding that melodyne one for pitch shifting but as james implies there isn't a perfect daw really whatever floats your boat.....some people even like ableton.....

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 23:25

darrylfunk wrote:

yes it is easy to do edits on.... but the creative person can now make really funky stuff without abletonizing the arse out of the groove....

it's not people doing edits on it that worries me it's the monumental cringeworthiness of their promo video

oh & I like Ableton - that comparison test site you linked to is fairly up to date & shows that ableton 7+ bears up perfectly well against other DAWs - interestingly the sound quality on Logic seems to have deteriorated in recent versions according to that data

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 23:30

Nice one james. Exactly the sort of stuff they talk about on the presonus forum but your e never sure if people on those are for real. I was just looking for some corroboration. Anything else?

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Fri, 03/02/2012 - 11:35

murt wrote:

darrylfunk wrote:
yes it is easy to do edits on.... but the creative person can now make really funky stuff without abletonizing the arse out of the groove....

it's not people doing edits on it that worries me it's the monumental cringeworthiness of their promo video

oh & I like Ableton - that comparison test site you linked to is fairly up to date & shows that ableton 7+ bears up perfectly well against other DAWs - interestingly the sound quality on Logic seems to have deteriorated in recent versions according to that data

all the companies do cheesey vids - they either try and look really pro and serious or dumbed down and easy enough for a 6 year old!!!

ableton distorts the wave forms of leading edges though....that test is just to see if it's actual sample rate conversion is done correctly.
it doesn't take into account it's sound mangling as soon as any time stretching is done.

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Fri, 03/02/2012 - 19:37

Solid State wrote:

Nice one james. Exactly the sort of stuff they talk about on the presonus forum but your e never sure if people on those are for real. I was just looking for some corroboration. Anything else?

I tend to ignore the forums unless I have any technical issues !!!

One thing that surprised me about Studio One is how easy it is to experiment - because you drag and drop FX , VST's etc like Live but have the great comping features of a traditional DAW it lets you take multiple takes/variations very easily and build up a track with very different takes . It depends on how you work - I've always liked the Ableton way of quickly building a track but not the sequencing/arranging/routing of Live which I have found lacking and Studio One is a good mix of both ( still use Ableton a lot tho ).

I think the best way is to download the demo and get your hands dirty . Rather than spending 20 minutes here and 30 minutes there try sitting down for a good couple of hours and see if you like the way it works .

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Sat, 04/02/2012 - 10:38

darrylfunk wrote:

for edits the 'new' secret weapon has got to be steinbergs sequel3.....

the quality of a daw is mainly down to 2 factors.

the stretch algorithm and the sample rate conversion of it's filters.

steinberg now use really good ones on all their stuff.

you can compare some software here but it hasn't been updated for ages.

http://src.infinitewave.ca/

for what it's worth the hardware will make a lot more difference to the sound than the software in the 'not touching the sound' stakes....in other words before the likes of us mash up the eq and filters etc etc....

i have also had a few issues with presonus hardware in the past!

So does the timestretching sound better than in Ableton? Don't all the main DAWs use the same algorithm by some external company?

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Sat, 04/02/2012 - 12:18

Studio One does look promising, adverts aside, but I'm also quite interested in the forthcoming bitwig developed by ex-ableton employees, live is looking quite tired at the moment and the wait for a 64 bit version has been ridiculous

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Sat, 04/02/2012 - 15:09

practiseaudio wrote:

darrylfunk wrote:
for edits the 'new' secret weapon has got to be steinbergs sequel3.....

the quality of a daw is mainly down to 2 factors.

the stretch algorithm and the sample rate conversion of it's filters.

steinberg now use really good ones on all their stuff.

you can compare some software here but it hasn't been updated for ages.

http://src.infinitewave.ca/

for what it's worth the hardware will make a lot more difference to the sound than the software in the 'not touching the sound' stakes....in other words before the likes of us mash up the eq and filters etc etc....

i have also had a few issues with presonus hardware in the past!

So does the timestretching sound better than in Ableton? Don't all the main DAWs use the same algorithm by some external company?

there are hundreds of timestretch doofah's some of the good ones like melodyne and elastique are quite refined now but abletons is quite destructive if over used.....but so are many of the others but ableton users do tend to push this feature of mashing together disparate grooves and sounds and much of it ends up sounding lame.

it is not the softwares 'fault' more the artistic abuse of what it can and can't do well.....

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Sat, 04/02/2012 - 15:33

darrylfunk wrote:

it is not the softwares 'fault' more the artistic abuse of what it can and can't do well.....

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Sat, 04/02/2012 - 21:24

Count Cookula wrote:

darrylfunk wrote:

it is not the softwares 'fault' more the artistic abuse of what it can and can't do well.....

warble warble

exactly i bloody hate that sound as much as i hate over done side chain compression.....and don't get me started on the overuse of both of those things at the same time!!!

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Sun, 05/02/2012 - 01:02

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Mon, 06/02/2012 - 16:53

darrylfunk wrote:

it certainly has nice plug ins inccluding that melodyne one for pitch shifting but as james implies there isn't a perfect daw really whatever floats your boat.....some people even like ableton.....

What DAW/software do you use, if you don't mind me asking?

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Mon, 06/02/2012 - 22:42

cubase rarely now, ableton hardly ever now but i was an early adopter (from v2 upto v8).... 95% of my stuff is done totally on steinberg sequel 2 and that's it....

just got sequel 3 about 2 months ago but only just got my new computer to use it on.

i even do my mastering in it now but i do have a couple of unusual techniques that i use that are based on mid 80's american mastering techniques but done in a digital format.

i don't have the time to fanny about with bulky programs and a million plug ins when i'm trying to get stuff done.

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Tue, 07/02/2012 - 13:57

darrylfunk wrote:

cubase rarely now, ableton hardly ever now but i was an early adopter (from v2 upto v8).... 95% of my stuff is done totally on steinberg sequel 2 and that's it....

just got sequel 3 about 2 months ago but only just got my new computer to use it on.

i even do my mastering in it now but i do have a couple of unusual techniques that i use that are based on mid 80's american mastering techniques but done in a digital format.

i don't have the time to fanny about with bulky programs and a million plug ins when i'm trying to get stuff done.

looks good once I got my head around how it works, do you use the beat detection and if so which one have you found works best with whole tracks?

btw got into putting a mixtape together and then it crashed!

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Tue, 07/02/2012 - 16:46

i have not used beat detection yet, just practicing doing beat grids and step programming and playing with the new sounds...i'm not keen on using untouched preset sounds so like to develop the sounds etc etc....

you need a lot of ram or a desktop machine if you really want to do mixtapes with it....generally cubase is very stable as good if not better than logic for reliability now....it is machine dependent....

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Wed, 08/02/2012 - 19:29

darrylfunk wrote:

cubase rarely now, ableton hardly ever now but i was an early adopter (from v2 upto v8).... 95% of my stuff is done totally on steinberg sequel 2 and that's it....

just got sequel 3 about 2 months ago but only just got my new computer to use it on.

i even do my mastering in it now but i do have a couple of unusual techniques that i use that are based on mid 80's american mastering techniques but done in a digital format.

i don't have the time to fanny about with bulky programs and a million plug ins when i'm trying to get stuff done.

Care to expand on this as it sounds very intriguing ???

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Thu, 09/02/2012 - 11:09

James deCourcy wrote:

darrylfunk wrote:
cubase rarely now, ableton hardly ever now but i was an early adopter (from v2 upto v8).... 95% of my stuff is done totally on steinberg sequel 2 and that's it....

just got sequel 3 about 2 months ago but only just got my new computer to use it on.

i even do my mastering in it now but i do have a couple of unusual techniques that i use that are based on mid 80's american mastering techniques but done in a digital format.

i don't have the time to fanny about with bulky programs and a million plug ins when i'm trying to get stuff done.

Care to expand on this as it sounds very intriguing ???

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Thu, 09/02/2012 - 11:10

it's just true parallel processing but of course watching out for digital overload....

a bit like having multiple buss mixers that are slightly different blended together.

i'm still summing in the box but do want to add an analogue element externally.

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Tue, 14/02/2012 - 12:17

50% off studio one today with code weloveyou

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Tue, 14/02/2012 - 21:27

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50% off studio one today with code weloveyou

Excuse me..? Do please elaborate

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Tue, 14/02/2012 - 22:21

probably a one off download......discount get it while it's hot deal.....

it is tempting as it is written by ex steinberg bods too.....hmmmnn.

i'd go for it if i wasn't wedded to my set up.

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Tue, 14/02/2012 - 23:19

enter that code on the order page and get 50% off as seen on gearslutz.com, download or box only today 14th, sorry for not being clearer, google if in doubt.

http://studioone.presonus.com/shop/

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