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Tue, 15/01/2013 - 19:24
Don't know if you have heard, but here in the USA we have been having a debate on gun control recently.
Thought it might be interesting to hear peoples opinions on the matter. Particularly since the majority of forum members are UK based.
Cops without guns? Hard for me to imagine.
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Tue, 15/01/2013 - 23:38
People that want guns will get them regardless of any laws. I think the focus should be on the antidepressents being shoved into the minds of the young. Most of these school shooter kids have one thing in common: they sit around all day pretending to kill people in the form of video games. That cant be healthy, especially for kids that are socially inept or bullied.
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Wed, 16/01/2013 - 11:27
i can not believe that anyone could seriously attribute playing games like COD & that1whereyoudriveroundrobbingcunts to outbreaks of actual slaughter. Right wing nutters in the Daily Mail used to say similar things about the video-nasty genre. The anti-depressant "debate" is also manipulated by the likes of Alex Jones to promote proper wonky agendas.

Its tragic. Why cant a constitution "evolve" beyond this issue over gun ownership? The nutter element say that the 2nd amendment is there specifically to guard against the state taking over, ie: you can't hijack our society if individual citizens have the right to bare arms and fight back. America was taken over by corporatism a long time ago. The irony here is vast.

That erudite and enlightened political commentator Jesse Ventura has stated that in Mexico, where citizens have no gun ownership rights, mass murder is common place. But he fails to highlight that Mexico imports masses of guns from the US as partial currency in the broader drug market between these 2 nations.

The debate is complex.

Its true that if people want firearms badly enough then access can be found somewhere somehow. Guns in Nottingham are relatively cheap to acquire, £300-500 for example. You can join a legitimate gun club and go thru the permit processes like whatshisface did in Dunblane. Doesnt mean fuck all if someone has a huge chip on their shoulder and then has a nervous breakdown.

Fuck knows what the answer is. Even if the US put an amendment thru its legislative bodies to alter its gun ownership laws tomorrow, there are that many guns in circulation it might take a century to weed them all out. I'd agree with Chris Rock when he argued (with much tongue in cheek) about making bullets ridiculously expensive so that "innocent bystander" fatalities might be reduced.

In the UK gun control laws make it extremely difficult to horde firearms legally. Its the illegal market that allows wannabe Scarface youths to access these weapons and that should remain the focus of law enforcement agencies. However, as a retired Colonel is the US Army once informed me...."you dont wanna bring a knife to a gun-fight".
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Wed, 16/01/2013 - 04:59
dROpS wrote:
People that want guns will get them regardless of any laws. I think the focus should be on the antidepressents being shoved into the minds of the young. Most of these school shooter kids have one thing in common: they sit around all day pretending to kill people in the form of video games. That cant be healthy, especially for kids that are socially inept or bullied.


Surely you aren't serious....
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Wed, 16/01/2013 - 19:55
drewflex wrote:
dROpS wrote:
People that want guns will get them regardless of any laws. I think the focus should be on the antidepressents being shoved into the minds of the young. Most of these school shooter kids have one thing in common: they sit around all day pretending to kill people in the form of video games. That cant be healthy, especially for kids that are socially inept or bullied.


Surely you aren't serious....


Dead serious.

RE: Boooz I don’t know if comparing immersive killing games to the video nasties madness is really appropriate but I hear where you’re coming from.
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Wed, 16/01/2013 - 20:08
If mass shootings can be attributed to violent video games, I'm surprised it isn't a much more common occurrence. Personally, I think it's a spurious link. Is there any reliable research available that points to this being a direct cause?
(btw my son is playing Halo 4 here now - should I be worried?)
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Thu, 17/01/2013 - 05:19
no matter the prospective resolution, there are too many fucking guns in this country. AND mental health is often ignored and largely untreated.

what's driving me mad right now is the reality that any sort of stronger gun control is met with the most hostile, paranoid, hard-line opposition. the NRA is nothing short of a terrorist organization. i hate them in the fucking face.

see, no one actively pressing for stronger gun control laws actually wants to melt every gun down. there's little interest in the hunting rifle, the shotgun or the handgun. however, if you speak about doing what can be done to reduce high capacity assault rifles in circulation or increasing background checks for private gun show sales, the NRA and their supporters act like obama is coming to town to steal your 30.06 and insure that you'll never hunt varmints again. that's just not the case.

what's totally fucking sickening is that there are a number of right-wing assholes who believe that the sandy hook elementary shootings were a government conspiracy to introduce this legislation. they believe, in all seriousness, that the government would mow down a bunch of 6 year olds just to try and bring some level-headed gun control to the USA. again, i hate them in the fucking face, and hope they get beat to death with wiffle-ball bats.

personally, i find the notion that the second amendment will be the protector of the citizens from the government nothing short of comical. my more paranoid co-citizens think that they have a right to an AR-15 because it will defend their families from the jack-booted government thugs coming to... (what, take their AR-15 away?). i've got news for you dipshits... the government has surface-to-air missiles, drones, tanks, and worse... your underground bunker arsenal isn't going to do shit.

which is why i'm tempted to join the NRA and absolutely fucking insist that they defend my right to have a personal nuke. at unending expense. y'know, for hunting.
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Thu, 17/01/2013 - 00:25
dROpS wrote:
drewflex wrote:
dROpS wrote:
People that want guns will get them regardless of any laws. I think the focus should be on the antidepressents being shoved into the minds of the young. Most of these school shooter kids have one thing in common: they sit around all day pretending to kill people in the form of video games. That cant be healthy, especially for kids that are socially inept or bullied.


Surely you aren't serious....


Dead serious.

RE: Boooz I don’t know if comparing immersive killing games to the video nasties madness is really appropriate but I hear where you’re coming from.


Then why are there only about 50 gun related deaths in Australia? I sure as hell like most of my mates(and most of the male population) play a fuck load of video games.

Its a fucking gun culture problem not a problem of video games.

Blaming anti-depressants is about as stupid as blaming video games. Teenagers and adults often proscribed these pill because they are diagnosed by a PROFESSIONAL to help with their mental health. Anti-depressants have nothing to do with the reasons behind these killings id say its their mental health which is unbalanced that is the main cause. But nah lets not treat people with depression just let them kill themselves.
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Thu, 17/01/2013 - 00:24
deepconcentration wrote:
personally, i find the notion that the second amendment will be the protector of the citizens from the government. more of my more paranoid co-citizens think that they have a right to an AR-15 because it will defend their families from the jack-booted government thugs coming to... (what, take their AR-15 away?). i've got news for you dipshits... the government has surface-to-air missiles, drones, tanks, and worse... your underground bunker arsenal isn't going to do shit.


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Thu, 17/01/2013 - 02:53
I just meant for kids that are already disturbed- not your son Steady M.

I actually think the gun violence and school shootings are part of a Masonic charade, a modern day form of sorcery, being carried out in public by battling factions of the Death obsessed Illuminati.

But that's another conversation entirely.
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Thu, 17/01/2013 - 04:45
Lay of the acid my friend
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Thu, 17/01/2013 - 14:33
If only someone had said this to Charles Manson.

Another ploy used by the fearmongers - then it was acid, now it's video games. Don't believe the hype
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Fri, 18/01/2013 - 20:23
There are plenty of people who kill without guns but making them readily available to anybody doesn't help matters either. I legally hold one here in the UK and regularly play video games - I can safely say you won't be seeing me in the headlines any time in the future.
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Fri, 18/01/2013 - 21:19
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Mon, 21/01/2013 - 05:55


http://gawker.com/5977377/gun-appreciation-day-celebrated-with-accidental-shootings-at-gun-shows-in-north-carolina-and-ohio?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

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Gun Appreciation Day Celebrated With Accidental Shootings at Gun Shows in North Carolina and Ohio (UPDATE)
Taylor Berman

Three people were wounded Saturday afternoon after an accidental shooting at the Dixie Gun and Knife Show in Raleigh, North Carolina. The incident apparently occurred at a security check point when the owner of a 12-gauge shotgun was asked to remove his gun from its case. Somehow, the gun discharged, shooting two people in the hand and one in the right torso.
Meanwhile, in an entirely unrelated incident, a man at the Medina County Gun Show was shot and injured later Saturday afternoon.

As the Daily Intelligencer notes, today is both Gun Appreciation Day and Guns Across America. What a perfect way to celebrate!

UPDATE: And there was another shooting. A man shot himself in the hand while loading his gun outside the Indy 1500 Gun and Knife Show gun show in Indianapolis.
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