Unknown Philly [Archive]

06-08-2004, 03:47 PM

A couple of lesser known, pucka boogie/disco tunes on PIR…. My Music – Bunny Sigler (killa track – “If I had a band..) You're The Girl of My Dreams - O'Jays Time Will Take Care of Everything – Lou Rawls Tighten Up At The Disco - Archie Bell & The Drells Searchin' – Stylistics JJ

slept on

06-08-2004, 04:21 PM

The Ebonys - You're The Reason Why Bit of a 'slow jam' (and not sure how unknown it is) but I like it. I'm sure there's a track or two that sample the beginning, (speeded up a lot) but I cannot remember what they are. Does anyone here? Oh and 'Stop and Think It Over' by Anthony White - Nice! Again not too sure how unknown this is

Jolyon

06-08-2004, 04:24 PM

Instant Funk - It Ain't Really Reggae

06-08-2004, 04:59 PM

..but it's funky, like Tarzan's monkey.. ;)

Jolyon

06-08-2004, 05:06 PM

..but it's funky, like Tarzan's monkey.. ;) ;D

Smac

06-08-2004, 05:43 PM

My Music – Bunny Sigler (killa track – “If I had a band..) JJ, Was this track recently covered by Context (theirs was called "If I Had a Band")? Bill put me on to it after he played it on the radio recently. The lyrics at the start are: "If I had a band, I'd travel all over the land, playing my music..." Here's a soundclip of the Context track, in case you haven't heard it: http://www.juno.co.uk/IP/IF142282-01.htm It sounds like it must be a cover but there are no credits on the record itself.

ladyboygrimsby

06-08-2004, 08:20 PM

I don't know the Bunny Sigler, so I can't say, but here are a few of my own.... Gloria Spencer - I Got It (Jay Walking) Brilliant gospel from early 70s. Produced by Bobby Martin. Tapestry - It's Not The World That's Messed Up (It's The People In It) (Capitol) Norman Harris on the faders, excellent early conscious disco. Taj Mahal - Why.. And We Repeat Why.. And We Repeat... (CBS) Taken from the album Music Keeps Me Together, this is an instrumental version of Why Did You Have To Desert Me, which was on the Mo Roots LP (both albums recorded at Sigma, I think). It's much better than the vocal version, the production much punchier. BB King - To Know Him Is To Love Him (Probe) From the album of the same name, cover of the Stevie classic, who also guests on keyboards, backing band provided by none other than MFSB... BB King - Philadelphia (ABC) From the Friends album, one of two recorded with MFSB, extended MFSB-style instrumental with BB giving it major geeetar over the top of Earl Young's drums. Yeehaw. Dione Warwick & Detroit Spinners - Then Came You (Atlantic) Produced by Thom Bell, minor hit in this country, and a brilliant soul song. Talk Of The Town - Bumpin Boogie (TSOP) Before McFadden & Whitehead were called thus, they were known as Talk of the Town. This is ace funky disco.

06-08-2004, 11:45 PM

Bill - need to hear that Talk Of The Town track. Hey but your cheating :) I thought you meant tunes on the PIR label. Smac - the Context is just the Bunny Sigler rejigged with a not too heavy drum underneath. Get the original. It's truckloads better If the short soundbite of Context is anything to go by. That starts with the JB-like horns, but the original builds up to that, with Sigler introducing the players... "get me a funky bass player..... a conga conga man.....gimme some drums....etc, before the horns and all the backing singers come in. Top hole old boy, as people from Grimsby would say. JJ

ladyboygrimsby

06-09-2004, 08:12 AM

Bill - need to hear that Talk Of The Town track. Hey but your cheating :) I thought you meant tunes on the PIR label. Smac - the Context is just the Bunny Sigler rejigged with a not too heavy drum underneath. Get the original. It's truckloads better If the short soundbite of Context is anything to go by. That starts with the JB-like horns, but the original builds up to that, with Sigler introducing the players... "get me a funky bass player..... a conga conga man.....gimme some drums....etc, before the horns and all the backing singers come in. Top hole old boy, as people from Grimsby would say. JJ Ah, I wondered where that came from... http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/%a5Artist%20GIF%20Images/Bunny%20Sigler.jpg Where's Jilly Cooper, when you need her?

Andrew@6MS

06-09-2004, 08:26 AM

Bill - need to hear that Talk Of The Town track. Hey but your cheating :) I thought you meant tunes on the PIR label. Smac - the Context is just the Bunny Sigler rejigged with a not too heavy drum underneath. Get the original. It's truckloads better If the short soundbite of Context is anything to go by. That starts with the JB-like horns, but the original builds up to that, with Sigler introducing the players... "get me a funky bass player..... a conga conga man.....gimme some drums....etc, before the horns and all the backing singers come in. Top hole old boy, as people from Grimsby would say. JJ Couldn't agree more. Forget the Context version - the original is MUCH better. Unfortunately, the rest of that LP (My Music) is average. Coincidentally, I picked up the first Instant Funk LP yesterday (Get Down With The Philly Jump). Has some nice tracks on.......... as well as "It Ain't Reggae....", other stand-outs for me are "I Know Where You're Coming From" and "Funky Africa". Also check: BILLY PAUL - We All Got A Mission THE EBONYS - Nation Time

Cosmic Jane

06-09-2004, 09:49 AM

Are there 12's of that Bunny Sigler track out there? I saw 7's and Lps only on Gemm X CJ

Andrew@6MS

06-09-2004, 10:02 AM

Are there 12's of that Bunny Sigler track out there? I saw 7's and Lps only on Gemm X CJ Hello CJ The only way of getting the track "My Music" is from the LP "My Music". None of Bunny's Philly outings were originally released on 12" ("Keep Smilin'" appeared on a reissued 12" a few years back), and I'm pretty sure that of the 7"s released, My Music wasn't one of them but not 100% sure. The LP won't cost a mint, but it can prove tricky to find. It was issued in the UK as well as the USA, so you may well find it relatively cheap. Incidentally, all the instrumentation on the "My Music" LP was provided by Instant Funk, which probably explains why it sounds so good. Another interesting fact - Instant Funk were the band that played on Dexter Wansel's "Life on Mars". Amazing but true! ;D

Tim H

06-09-2004, 11:12 AM

Couldn't we have had this thread BEFORE I went to Beatin' Rhythm last month? :P One more: Philly Devotions - Just Can't Say Goodbye. Beautiful Tom Moulton mixed 7"

matthew

06-09-2004, 12:04 PM

anyone fancy doing a mix / pointing me in the direction of a mix of this stuff? my philly kjnowledge is shamefully sketchy

sonofstan

06-10-2004, 12:01 PM

Good thread. :) Here's a few lesser knowns I like (Philly productions, rather than PIR releases): The Family: Do the Robot Little Dooley: Its Got To Be Now or Never Johnny Nash: I'm Coming Home in the Morning Carolyn Crawford: If You Move You Lose Odds and Ends: Yesterday My Love / Let Me Try Nancy Wilson: Make it With You.

Phil Potter

06-10-2004, 11:09 PM

MFSB- Lets clean up the ghetto 12" (i'm spottiing the hell outta this thread by the way) ;D

ladyboygrimsby

06-11-2004, 09:02 AM

MFSB- Lets clean up the ghetto 12" (i'm spottiing the hell outta this thread by the way) ;D Either MFSB do a version of this or it's by the Philly All Stars. Isn't it (it's early, my brain's not started working yet)?

Tim H

06-11-2004, 09:07 AM

Tapestry - It's Not The World That's Messed Up (It's The People In It) (Capitol) Norman Harris on the faders, excellent early conscious disco. Bill, have you listened to that Tapestry record recently? I think for 'concious' you might want to substitute 'reactionary nonsense'? :P

ladyboygrimsby

06-11-2004, 09:20 AM

Tapestry - It's Not The World That's Messed Up (It's The People In It) (Capitol) Norman Harris on the faders, excellent early conscious disco. Bill, have you listened to that Tapestry record recently? I think for 'concious' you might want to substitute 'reactionary nonsense'? :P It's not another Mind Your Language is it? :-[

Tim H

06-11-2004, 09:24 AM

"what's wrong with this world, where girls want to be boys, and boys want to be girls...where will all the little babies come from? It's not the world that's messed up, it's the people in it..." I don't suppose it went over big in the bathhouses... :P It is a good track though...

Andrew@6MS

06-11-2004, 09:26 AM

MFSB- Lets clean up the ghetto 12" (i'm spottiing the hell outta this thread by the way) ;D Either MFSB do a version of this or it's by the Philly All Stars. Isn't it (it's early, my brain's not started working yet)? You're right on both Bill. MFSB did do a version, but the original was by the Philadelphia International All-Stars. There was even an instrumental version by the latter act, which I guess effectively made it MFSB! :P

GrantB

06-11-2004, 12:14 PM

MFSB- Lets clean up the ghetto 12" (i'm spottiing the hell outta this thread by the way) ;D Either MFSB do a version of this or it's by the Philly All Stars. Isn't it (it's early, my brain's not started working yet)? You're right on both Bill. MFSB did do a version, but the original was by the Philadelphia International All-Stars. There was even an instrumental version by the latter act, which I guess effectively made it MFSB! :P Yes, the instrumental is only on the b-side of the 7" and it even says MFSB. Very much worth having, especially as I don't care for the lyrics.

slept on

06-11-2004, 12:21 PM

On the reissure 12" doesn't it have an instrumental on the flip? All my Philly gear is reissure (thankyou Beatin' Rhythm!) and very good quality presses actually. If so, then that is definitely the best option as you get the longer version and that track really is a groove. Although even as I'm typing this I'm not sure whether it does have the instrumental. Aaagh my brain is meltinggggggggg.............................

06-11-2004, 12:55 PM

And, if like me, you're partial to a bit of old funky reggae, then you must check Johnnie Clarke's version of Clean Up The Ghetto, called "Peace In The Ghetto". That bass line sounds fantastic in a reggae setting. JJ

Tim H

06-11-2004, 02:44 PM

One I picked up this lunchtime...Revelation - Get Ready For This, on RSO from 1975. Nice uptempo Norman Harris production. :)

sonofstan

06-11-2004, 03:22 PM

One I picked up this lunchtime...Revelation - Get Ready For This, on RSO from 1975. Nice uptempo Norman Harris production. :) That's the vocal version of The Brothers "Are you ready for this?", innit?

fabiofal

06-11-2004, 03:23 PM

One I picked up this lunchtime...Revelation - Get Ready For This, on RSO from 1975. Nice uptempo Norman Harris production. :) hey tim, have you got also the time for shopping during lunchtime? addicted!!! ;D

Tim H

06-11-2004, 03:45 PM

One I picked up this lunchtime...Revelation - Get Ready For This, on RSO from 1975. Nice uptempo Norman Harris production. :) That's the vocal version of The Brothers "Are you ready for this?", innit? Could be. Warrren Schatz is one of the writers, and I think he was involved in The Brothers. Is it on the LP with 'Under Your Skin' on it? I've got that somewhere, will dig it out & check. Fabio, addicted? Me? 8)

Phil Potter

06-11-2004, 04:08 PM

MFSB- Lets clean up the ghetto 12" (i'm spottiing the hell outta this thread by the way) ;D Either MFSB do a version of this or it's by the Philly All Stars. Isn't it (it's early, my brain's not started working yet)? You're right on both Bill. MFSB did do a version, but the original was by the Philadelphia International All-Stars. There was even an instrumental version by the latter act, which I guess effectively made it MFSB! :P Yes, the instrumental is only on the b-side of the 7" and it even says MFSB. Very much worth having, especially as I don't care for the lyrics. you guys are way more knowledgable than i. i have Let's Clean... on a PIR disco 12". its a long instrumental. it's 2 sided and the other side is another MFSB smoker! i'll have to dig it out to get the other track name...im buried in records!!arrrg! :o

sonofstan

06-11-2004, 04:31 PM

One I picked up this lunchtime...Revelation - Get Ready For This, on RSO from 1975. Nice uptempo Norman Harris production. :) That's the vocal version of The Brothers "Are you ready for this?", innit? Could be. Warrren Schatz is one of the writers, and I think he was involved in The Brothers. Is it on the LP with 'Under Your Skin' on it? I've got that somewhere, will dig it out & check. No it s not on that LP its on the other one "Disco Soul" (or summat.) "Under the Skin" has got the similarly titled "Were You Ready for That?" on it

Phil Potter

06-17-2004, 02:49 PM

sorry to revive this dead thread but i just found my new end of the nighter! Was that all it was? by Jean Carn. PIR found the 12" for 1$ and fell in love instantly. have you heard this one ladyboy? any info on the history?

ladyboygrimsby

06-17-2004, 03:05 PM

sorry to revive this dead thread but i just found my new end of the nighter! Was that all it was? by Jean Carn. PIR found the 12" for 1$ and fell in love instantly. have you heard this one ladyboy? any info on the history? A great record, one of my all-time fave disco tunes. She was married to Doug Carn, the pianist, sang on Norman Connors Slewfoot LP and then did three or four LPs for PIR. Th one you have is the best, but there's also Don't Let It Go To Your Head, which is really good, too.

Bandana Ferret

06-17-2004, 03:09 PM

"Time Waits For No One" is also a cracking number, but her finest hour, in my opinion is "Free Love" which charted over here! Both are on her first PIR LP :)

leebradlee

06-17-2004, 03:11 PM

Was gonna mention Free Love, It's been booted recently and is rather nice.

Bandana Ferret

06-17-2004, 03:19 PM

Was gonna mention Free Love, It's been booted recently and is rather nice. It's a tune for sure Lee, but that re-edit is total DOGDIRT. Everything wrong about re-edit culture contained on one 12" Bogus in the extreme.

leebradlee

06-17-2004, 03:30 PM

Not heard the original mix so not in a position to comment, but am sure you're right. I just listened, liked and bought.

Bandana Ferret

06-17-2004, 03:43 PM

Not heard the original mix so not in a position to comment, but am sure you're right. I just listened, liked and bought. Don't take my word on it, mate (or for anything). Track the original down and see for yourself. You're a man of taste for sure. LP comes in Vinyl X a fair bit. 7" available from Beatin Rhythm too, no doubt. That re-edit has served it's purpose if it's introduced someone new, like you, to the track. This is a good thing!:D I'm just very anti this whole bogus re-edit culture thing. I'm also very not into extremely long (and almost always pointless) extended versions of tracks that work perfectly well in their shortened versions. "Maybe it's because I'm a Northerner..." I bet that Sebastian Tellier record would have actually sounded good, had it come out on a 7" (certainly would've had more longevity.)

Jolyon

06-17-2004, 03:46 PM

Phil Potter

06-17-2004, 03:48 PM

i haven't heard the particular track youre referring to but i must agree. unless a re-edit makes a track better / more usefull, it should just not be made. it becomes a bit of musical masturbation. btw- thanks mr.grimsby!

Bandana Ferret

06-17-2004, 03:53 PM

worth tracking down the Kym Mazelle cover too...which is one of my favourite house records. You know, Kym Mazelle also recorded "No One Can Love You More Than Me" Jolyon, which was also recoreded by Sylvester's Two Tonnes when they became Weather Girls. erm,.......should I really know this?

ladyboygrimsby

06-17-2004, 03:54 PM

"Time Waits For No One" is also a cracking number, but her finest hour, in my opinion is "Free Love" which charted over here! Both are on her first PIR LP :) Mmm, Monsieur Ferret, I think you'll find Ms. Carn(e) never had a hit in the UK. I believe the nearest she came was Don't Let It Go... which was a big club record at the time.

Bandana Ferret

06-17-2004, 04:02 PM

"Time Waits For No One" is also a cracking number, but her finest hour, in my opinion is "Free Love" which charted over here! Both are on her first PIR LP :) Mmm, Monsieur Ferret, I think you'll find Ms. Carn(e) never had a hit in the UK. I believe the nearest she came was Don't Let It Go... which was a big club record at the time. I never thought she would have done with this track either Mr Grimsby, in fact when I went to see her last year (disappointing) I was really hoping she'd perform it, but wasn't sure whether she would as I didn't think that it was regarded as a biggie by her. However, she not only performed Free Love, but also introduced it as being her first chart success in the U.K. So unless she was wrong, or forgot, or was refering to specialist/soul charts, I mipretty sure about it. I was suprised. But I only made reference to it because that info came from the horse's (sorry Jean) mouth. Don't mind being corrected if I'm wrong, though - am always eager to learn.

Bandana Ferret

06-17-2004, 04:05 PM

Jean also did the vocals on Dexter Wansel's "Sweetest Pain" didn't she? Also a TUNE.

Solid State

06-17-2004, 04:29 PM

sorry to revive this dead thread but i just found my new end of the nighter! Was that all it was? by Jean Carn. PIR found the 12" for 1$ and fell in love instantly. have you heard this one ladyboy? any info on the history? worth tracking down the Kym Mazelle cover too...which is one of my favourite house records. Was it Kym Mazelle who covered this? Thought it was someone else..? ??? There was a reasonablly good Victor Simonelli cover too in 93.

Bandana Ferret

06-17-2004, 04:33 PM

worth tracking down the Kym Mazelle cover too...which is one of my favourite house records. If it's one of Jolyon's faves, I don't reckon he's got mixed up 'bout it. Perhaps you know a different version.

Jolyon

06-17-2004, 04:39 PM

it was indeed kym mazelle...mixed by david morales. released around 1989 ish I think. it's on the first Renaissance mix CD too if you don't believe me :)

Solid State

06-17-2004, 04:42 PM

I well remember it being out, and indeed think I may have it myself... but I had it in my head it was another diva on vox. Obviously not tho... :)

Andrew@6MS

06-17-2004, 05:20 PM

Jean also did the vocals on Dexter Wansel's "Sweetest Pain" didn't she? Also a TUNE. The vocals were actually by Terri Wells - the same lady that covered The Spinners' "I'll Be Around" c.1984. Most definitely a TUNE though!! ;D By the way, the first Jean Carn LP is an absolute corker!!!! As well as the great "Time Waits For No-One", and "Free Love", it contains a couple of other lovely tunes - "If You Wanna Go Back" and "No Laughing Matter". A truly superb album, and well worth tracking down for an example of a truly great Philly album. Have a look at the link below for more on JC: http://entertainment.msn.com/artist/?artist=133020

mattm

06-17-2004, 10:27 PM

it was indeed kym mazelle...mixed by david morales. released around 1989 ish I think. it's on the first Renaissance mix CD too if you don't believe me :) Really good Morales dub ( doesnt even plod down toa bass line) of it with planning drums & a noise that drops in that sounds like a knife being sharpened

slept on

06-18-2004, 11:01 AM

Talking of Miss Carn/Carne...did anyone go to the Philly Allstars show a little while back featuring the aforementioned singer with Billy Paul and Dexter Wansell? Billy was awesome, Jean less so (imo) and Dexter did his thing, but the show overall was a little lacking for me, mainly because every tune was done in about 4 minutes, so there was no extended soloing and interplay between the musicians. What did others think?...

06-18-2004, 11:14 AM

I prefer the records ;) Another nice but ignored one - "To Be In Love" - MFSB (PIR 1978)

Asylum

06-18-2004, 11:27 AM

it was indeed kym mazelle...mixed by david morales. released around 1989 ish I think. it's on the first Renaissance mix CD too if you don't believe me :) Yeah I love that one too although my favourite Kym is Useless...what a tune, BTW the 12" instrumental of Lets Clean Up The Ghetto can be found one a reissue on PIR via Expansions, with Mysteries of Love on t'other side

Andrew@6MS

06-18-2004, 03:39 PM

If anyone is after a copy of that first Jean Carn LP, there is one on eBay at the mo. A US promo pressing nonetheless..... nice!!! The seller has some other bits that look nice too, and he's in the UK. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43704&item=4018944 356&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

leebradlee

06-18-2004, 04:13 PM

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43704&item=4018944 356&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW It'll be interesting to see what that price the chap above gets for the Voice of Q 12"

peter

06-20-2004, 01:04 PM

on the philly tip: the mighty clouds of joy - time the atlanta disco band - bad luck armada orchestra - for the love of money (great cover version) south shore commission - were on the right track

bawdyman

06-22-2004, 06:45 PM

Ronnie Jones - Southside Philly on Handshake. Just been stepped on, er edited by someone on the new Big Bear 12.

Filthy Luka

11-18-2005, 02:18 PM

I know this thread is ancient now, but I though I'd offer my tuppence worth... off the top of my head...

The Dells - Don't Trick Me Treat Me
Love Committee - One Day of Peace
The Whispers - A Mother For My children
Sons Of Robin Stone - Got To Get You Back
The Soul Train Gang - Ooh Cha
The Manhattans - That's How Strong My Love Is
Joe Simon - I.O.U.
Gloria Gaynor - Park Avenue Sound LP

Phil Potter

12-12-2007, 08:35 PM

i feel like an archeologist digging this thread up but...

has anyone checked this comp? it looks new.

Conquer the World- The Lost Soul of Philadelphia International Records

http://www.amazon.com/Conquer-World-Various-Artists/dp/B000XCZGQ8/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1197487403&sr=1-1