attn. Jolyon

[JC]

Just picked up a copy of the 'Keep On' mag and enjoyed your article on Italo Disco. <br />Seeing as your a bit of an authority on the subject I wondered if you might be able to help me out with these track id's :-<br /><br />http://www.deephousepage.com/ron1987.ram (5 minutes in)<br /><br />http://www.deephousepage.com/ron300.ram (30 seconds in)<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />

[Sueno Latino]

Hello JC<br /><br />As far as the first track is concerned, I don't know anyone who has even a remore idea what this is (someone posted the same question on DHP last year and not one person even replied!!)<br /><br />As regards the second track - I know what this is but cannot say. It was discovered whilst playing through many thousand rubbish italo records one day last year. you would have to bring something equally tough to the table for me to even consider telling you. Sorry but thats just the way it goes. Even so, it ain't a title you're gonna find on GEMM, its a very rare 12&quot;<br /><br />Good luck!

[pas1971]

fighting talk !!

[Agnus Booffa]

fair case on suenos half. its the larry levan - harvey- ron hardy syndrome. everybody wants every record these guys played. if the man at your local kebab shop were playing these sets in a club you would all think he were playing rubbish. who even knows that these deep houe tapes are even genuine? its ridiculous - stop living in a past you werent even part of and find your own records to rave about. youre all dj's arent you! ::)

[smiley]

<br /> its ridiculous - stop living in a past you werent even part of and find your own records to rave about. youre all dj's arent you! ::)<br /><br />no offence, but i think you're sort of missing the point with these kind of things, Angus.<br />i've always found one of the best ways to go forward with DJing is to look back every once &amp; a while... that's why &quot;Last Night...&quot; was such a revelation to me, and why this website is so enjoyable.

[fabiofal]

<br /><br /> its ridiculous - stop living in a past you werent even part of and find your own records to rave about. youre all dj's arent you! ::)<br /><br />no offence, but i think you're sort of missing the point with these kind of things, Angus.<br />i've always found one of the best ways to go forward with DJing is to look back every once &amp; a while... that's why &quot;Last Night...&quot; was such a revelation to me, and why this website is so enjoyable. <br /><br /><br />agree with you smiley; I think that history, in all fields, isn't a dead thing, but a breathing one.

[Tim H]

<br /><br />As regards the second track - I know what this is but cannot say. <br /> <br />Are you feeling alright? It's only a record... ::)

[ladyboygrimsby]

Sueno: You know, there are people on this board, like Sean P, and Belson (who's forgotten more about funk than this entire board knows) who, when asked a question, willingly deliver the goods. They don't have to but they do. And even if they spent the entire day answering questions that they know and we don't, it would still not make anyone here a better DJ (although it might help them get a better record collection). <br /><br />If you know something, but you're not willing the give up the answer, that's cool. I respect that. It's not my style, but I understand it. But if you know the answer and then reply that you know the answer but you want something in return, do you not think it's a bit of a shitty attitude, not to say confrontational? It's a nice record, but it is just a record.

[fabiofal]

<br /><br />i remember with love and gratitude the first time (and the second) i wrote to mr. hippie torrales and got back (in a very short time, really) a down to earth answer, just from friend to friend...<br /><br />maybe we're here to share our passion, not to trying to be on the top and look down who we left behind...

[Jolyon]

music's for sharing I thought? <br /><br />anyway, the rap one is by Tullio De Piscopo according to some, but nobody is quite sure of the title. Or even if it by Mr Piscopo...<br /><br />the one at 5 mins I don't know either...wish I did!

[fabiofal]

<br />music's for sharing I thought? <br /><br />anyway, track one is by Tullio De Piscopo but nobody is quite sure of the title. <br /><br />the second one i don't know either...sorry!<br /><br /><br />De Piscopo made a relatively few hits, maybe the tune is primavera (stop bajon) or andamento lento

[Jolyon]

could be Radio Africa by Tullio De Piscopo....never heard the track though so I couldn't say!

[fabiofal]

<br />could be Radio Africa by Tullio De Piscopo....never heard the track though so I couldn't say!<br /><br /><br />even this one. right jolyon

[Sueno Latino]

I'm afraid you're wrong jolyon. that track is NOT by 'Tullio' (and doesn't even sound like him). If you don't know what a tune is, there's nuthin wrong with that, but don't just reel off false or guessed info just to sound knowledgable. what's the point of that??<br /><br />As far as what Bill said - I am always very generous with my passing on information to others, and I think music is to be shared, BUT there are too many people out there now who just want to hoover up all the knowledge 24/7 without either bringing anything back to the table, or having spent enough time in musical kindergarden. Also as Agnus has pointed out, you only want to know what this track is cos 'Ron' supposedly played it (or harvey/levan/mancuso etc etc). What ever happened to people finding their own jams and working them?? There are still tons of wicked tunes out there not getting any attention whatsoever cos they weren't dropped by a cult DJ, but there wouldn't be any street cred in playing those, would there??<br /><br />In addition, If i named that tune, everyone on this forum would be looking for one, (jacking up the price) and the next thing you know it's on a shitty compilation or bootlegged by 'Automan'.

[ESG]

bottle of light with that fella?

[Tim H]

<br /><br />you only want to know what this track is cos 'Ron' supposedly played it (or harvey/levan/mancuso etc etc). <br />...and I presume you picked it up without hearing it on one of these mixes first?

[Jolyon]

<br />I'm afraid you're wrong jolyon. that track is NOT by 'Tullio' (and doesn't even sound like him). If you don't know what a tune is, there's nuthin wrong with that, but don't just reel off false or guessed info just to sound knowledgable. what's the point of that??<br /><br />As far as what Bill said - I am always very generous with my passing on information to others, and I think music is to be shared, BUT there are too many people out there now who just want to hoover up all the knowledge 24/7 without either bringing anything back to the table, or having spent enough time in musical kindergarden. Also as Agnus has pointed out, you only want to know what this track is cos 'Ron' supposedly played it (or harvey/levan/mancuso etc etc). What ever happened to people finding their own jams and working them?? There are still tons of wicked tunes out there not getting any attention whatsoever cos they weren't dropped by a cult DJ, but there wouldn't be any street cred in playing those, would there??<br /><br />In addition, If i named that tune, everyone on this forum would be looking for one, (jacking up the price) and the next thing you know it's on a shitty compilation or bootlegged by 'Automan'. <br /><br /><br />whatever. re-read the posts. I didn't say I knew what they were, I said some people say and 'i couldn't say'. <br /><br />For fucks sake they're only records (which you neither discovered or made I might add).

[matthew]

bloody hell. are you supposed to pass a test to like music nowadays?<br /><br />Something tells me you were the sort of kid that didn't want to give the other boys a ride on your bike...

[dolly]

<br />bloody hell. are you supposed to pass a test to like music nowadays?<br /><br />Something tells me you were the sort of kid that didn't want to give the other boys a ride on your bike...<br /><br /><br />Hear hear! Lighten up!<br /><br />If you had to pass a test on music to be on this board I would no way be here.

[fabiofal]

<br /><br />bloody hell. are you supposed to pass a test to like music nowadays?<br /><br />Something tells me you were the sort of kid that didn't want to give the other boys a ride on your bike...<br /><br /><br />Hear hear! Lighten up!<br /><br />If you had to pass a test on music to be on this board I would no way be here. <br /><br /><br />ok, then I'll create my own forum!

[Al Kent]

In addition, If i named that tune, everyone on this forum would be looking for one, (jacking up the price) and the next thing you know it's on a shitty compilation or bootlegged by 'Automan'. <br /><br /><br />This is actually a fair point. If I'm looking for a record I try to keep quiet about it till I find one. But once I've got it, it's no secret any more.<br /><br />Surely if the record gains demand and the price goes up, that's good if you own one Jason?

[ladyboygrimsby]

<br />In addition, If i named that tune, everyone on this forum would be looking for one, (jacking up the price) and the next thing you know it's on a shitty compilation or bootlegged by 'Automan'. <br /><br /><br />This is actually a fair point. If I'm looking for a record I try to keep quiet about it till I find one. But once I've got it, it's no secret any more.<br /><br />Surely if the record gains demand and the price goes up, that's good if you own one Jason?<br /><br /><br />If I don't own the record already I might keep it to myself till I've scored one, but then if it's ridiculously rare, I'm beyond caring, since I'm a tight-arse who never pays more than £50 for anything.

[Invincible Pigeon]

No-one knows about my secret Roachford B-sides.<br /><br />Probably because they don't care.

[mekanikalgirl]

I'd like to say something . . . . . <br /><br />I'm a music obsessive I don't meet too many who need help as much as I do with this addiction ( most of them post on this board) <br />BUT . . . . I really do not give a monkey's about which DJ played what and when. (Larry Levan played some awful tunes in his time)<br />There is NO room for elitism here. <br />If you really want to play your part in unearthing undiscovered classics then PLAY them , TALK about the tunes! I think you'll find there is a good crew on here who will have something they will SHARE with you at some point. <br />If you did not produce , write, arrange or play on these records you have NO right to claim them as your own! end of rant ! ::)

[pas1971]

dhp anyone? :-\

[Sueno Latino]

I never once claimed the tune as 'my own'. If any dj has a claim to it, it would be Ron Hardy.<br /><br />I think we have deviated from my original point. I just think that people should spend less time downloading ancient mixes and trying to uncover the obscure/obvious tunes contained within so that they can play them at functions totally out of context. <br /><br />If they used the same amount of effort looking for their own tunes, rather than a dead American/Italian dj that happened to be trendy at the time(Baldelli is a popular one at the moment, even though none of you have probably heard any of his tapes), then everything would be hunky dory!<br /><br />I don't think that's much to ask for. Or is it? :D

[pas1971]

<br />As regards the second track - I know what this is but cannot say. It was discovered whilst playing through many thousand rubbish italo records one day last year. <br />I hope you were looking for your own tunes Sueno, and it was a mere coincidence that Ron and you shared the same taste. Where did the Italo craze start? Were you playing it in 87 too? Or did perhaps a certain DJ inspire you to start looking for those kind of records.....<br />What's the difference between listening to an old mix or a new one? Why should old tunes be out of place alongside new ones? If it's new to the bods on this board, then there's a good chance that it's new to the less music obsessed types who go out for other reasons....<br /> :-*

[Sueno Latino]

<br /><br />As regards the second track - I know what this is but cannot say. It was discovered whilst playing through many thousand rubbish italo records one day last year. <br />I hope you were looking for your own tunes Sueno, and it was a mere coincidence that Ron and you shared the same taste. Where did the Italo craze start? Were you playing it in 87 too? Or did perhaps a certain DJ inspire you to start looking for those kind of records.....<br />What's the difference between listening to an old mix or a new one? Why should old tunes be out of place alongside new ones? If it's new to the bods on this board, then there's a good chance that it's new to the less music obsessed types who go out for other reasons....<br /> :-*<br /><br /><br />Not meaning to sound elitist, but lots of these 'italo' tunes were available either on original 12&quot; or most often 'bootleg' form even up until the early 90's in places like Soho's 'Trax' records, so the sound is not a new one to me. Having been a record collector for 17 years I would say that I've developed a certain amount of good taste and can spot good apples from a bunch. Remember that 99.9% of italo records are horse manure.<br /><br />I am a firm believer in playing good classics/future classics against any top new records. And its totally cool to listen to old mixes. BUT it IS wrong to obsessively just replicate those mixes when playing out, by dropping only those tunes as played by those djs. I've seen tons of 'jocks' do just that. That is my point. :-*

[DJ Alex]

This is a really interesting topic so will have to put in. I have to agree with Sueno, alot of so called Italo is pony as I was fortunate to discover interesting titles and covers and then realising it was pants. This was a joy to do though discovery is really the best policy. I think as well with the balaeric thing it all comes down to putting different genres together so that they make sense to yourself and the dancefloor. Many times of listening to a good friend and mentor such as Harvey he would yes, play classics that were part of the history that make up the music we love but, he would always incorporate it with new and interesting music that he dug and also play records in his own inimitable way. hat way he was recreating and putting records into different contexts. If any new dj's are to do this and make a name for themselves then they need to have this aproach. <br /><br />The old and the new please individuality is an essential part of what makes the great dj's the ones who stand out. It all how you feel it individually. Get fully involved with what you are doing.<br /><br />Hope that makes sense, and there are some tired ass records out there that should be left on Balaeric Beats vol 1 it was not about 10 or 20 records at all.<br /><br />Alex. ;)

[rob.j]

<br />If the man at your local kebab shop were playing these sets in a club you would all think he were playing rubbish. <br /><br />Not really i happen to like kebabs, does not matter who's serving them as long as they are with some nice chips they are ace ;)<br /><br />cheers<br /><br />rob

[greg wilson]

<br />Where did the Italo craze start? <br /><br />Hi pas1971: Back in the early 80's, a number of tracks, now considered Italo Disco classics, were played on the black scene here in the UK . Stuff like Harry Thumann 'Underwater', Kasso 'Walkman', Electra 'Feels Good', Klien &amp; MBO 'Dirty Talk' and 'Wonderful' and Advance 'Take Me To The Top' were all huge tunes with the Jazz-Funk and, later, Electro-Funk enthusiasts in the North. <br /><br />We didn't use the term Italo, in fact we weren't even aware that some of these tracks originated from Italy, they were just great tunes that fitted in perfectly alongside the US (mainly New York) releases. <br /><br />Klien &amp; MBO and Electra were very much regarded as Electro-Funk classics (the instrumental versions, of course) back in the day, and this is the way I'll always view them.<br /><br />Other Italian releases were big on the gay scene during this period, Kano being the perfect example, and earlier still La Bionda, who I came across when working in Europe in '78.<br /><br />However, as Jolyon pointed out to me, the term Italo Disco didn't come into use until late '83, when a German label, ZYX, released their 'Best Of Italo Disco' compilation, so I suppose that's when it became regarded as a genre in its own right (although I can't remember the term being used in the UK until much much later).<br /><br />So, to view it retrospectively as a distinctive style of its own would be wrong, it was undoubtedly different things to different people back then.<br />

[erd]

I know the first track on the first mix linked, do you? ;D<br /><br />Your first post in this topic was a little bit rude, wasn't it?<br />And childish, if I may add. If you don't want to reveal your secrets, fine, keep them to yourself, but don't play the big riddler.<br /><br />Apart from that, JC hasn't said that he wants to impersonate Ron Hardy/Harvey or Larry Levan in his living-room or in a booth. I don't even know if he is a DJ. He just asked for two track ids which is totally ok and should make those people happy that share the same musical taste. Or is he the next promising DJ in your hometown who tries to capture your chair? Come on, be nice...and please try to avoid to cock a snook. Thanks. <br /><br />Peace!<br /><br />Gerd<br /><br />PS. Some of those worshipped and highly praised Italo tracks are to be found in the dustiest bins over here (Zyx, Germany). One man's treasure chest is the other's trash can, I guess...<br /><br />

[rob.j]

I think everyone is getting there Sueno's mixed up.<br /><br />This is Sueno Latino not the aussie Sueno Martino<br /><br />cheers<br /><br />rob<br /><br />

[erd]

Oh, I have just read Sueno.... :P

[erd]

Btw, as we are on the topic of this. Second link, 16:40. Sueno?<br /><br />Peace.<br /><br />Gerd

[pas1971]

erd, well said. Was gonna say the same thing as regards JC, now I don't need to !<br />

[erd]

Thanks, pas1971.<br /><br />Peace.<br /><br />gerd

[suenomartino]

<br />Hello JC<br /><br />As far as the first track is concerned, I don't know anyone who has even a remore idea what this is (someone posted the same question on DHP last year and not one person even replied!!)<br /><br />As regards the second track - I know what this is but cannot say. It was discovered whilst playing through many thousand rubbish italo records one day last year. you would have to bring something equally tough to the table for me to even consider telling you. Sorry but thats just the way it goes. Even so, it ain't a title you're gonna find on GEMM, its a very rare 12&quot;<br /><br />Good luck!<br /><br /><br />Sueno Jr is just miffed because JC asked Jolyon about the tune and not him.

[erd]

Ha, ha, ha!<br /><br />The real Sueno just stood up.<br /><br />Peace.<br /><br />Gerd

[matthew]

<br /><br /><br />As regards the second track - I know what this is but cannot say. It was discovered whilst playing through many thousand rubbish italo records one day last year. <br />I hope you were looking for your own tunes Sueno, and it was a mere coincidence that Ron and you shared the same taste. Where did the Italo craze start? Were you playing it in 87 too? Or did perhaps a certain DJ inspire you to start looking for those kind of records.....<br />What's the difference between listening to an old mix or a new one? Why should old tunes be out of place alongside new ones? If it's new to the bods on this board, then there's a good chance that it's new to the less music obsessed types who go out for other reasons....<br /> :-*<br /><br /><br />Not meaning to sound elitist, but lots of these 'italo' tunes were available either on original 12&quot; or most often 'bootleg' form even up until the early 90's in places like Soho's 'Trax' records, so the sound is not a new one to me. Having been a record collector for 17 years I would say that I've developed a certain amount of good taste and can spot good apples from a bunch. Remember that 99.9% of italo records are horse manure.<br /><br />I am a firm believer in playing good classics/future classics against any top new records. And its totally cool to listen to old mixes. BUT it IS wrong to obsessively just replicate those mixes when playing out, by dropping only those tunes as played by those djs. I've seen tons of 'jocks' do just that. That is my point. :-*<br /><br /><br />Good point. But it is more than a little cynical and judgemental of you to assume that because someone wanted IDs from ron hardy tapes, they wanted to replicate his set. Or indeed that the only reason they liked the tracks is because Hardy was playing them.<br /><br />i think you'll find most people on this board just like music and one of the side effects of this condition is an urge to ask 'ooh, wassat?' when they hear something they like. Don't tell me you don't, even after all these years. Musical schooling, after all, never really ends.<br /><br />M<br /><br /><br />

[Solid State]

Some dj's, for whatever reason, have had a better knack than others at finding those tunes which are not widely known but have stood the test of time very well. Presumably Ron Hardy would count as one of these Dj's, so it's no great surprise you can find such tunes in his mixes.<br /><br />Nobody is going to become a Ron Hardy just by owning one of his less-well-known tunes, and noone on this board for a nano-second imagines that they would. <br /><br />So, Wayne O'Latino - tell em the bleedin' track name if you know it! :P<br /><br />PS Personally, I haven't heard the track or the mix and am not interested in doing so.<br /><br />

[Jolyon]

By the way, I only wrote an article on Italo - I am nothing even approaching an expert on the subject and I'm certainly not advocating that Italo is the greatest genre of all time. In fact the article ends saying most Italo is utter shite. <br /><br />As for replicating other DJs - why does asking for a track ID mean you want to do that?<br /><br />And finally Baldelli - quite a few people on this board have got his tapes and the ones I've heard ROCK.

[mekanikalgirl]

[qy used the same amount of effort looking for their own tunes, rather than a dead American/Italian dj that happened to be trendy at the time(Baldelli is a popular one at the moment, even though none of you have probably heard any of his tapes) <br /><br /> Aint nuthin worse than a smug non dj<br />I'll pass your comments on to Daniele ( who incidently is alive and well and STILL DJing)<br /><br />TOO many sliding tackles sunshine! RED CARD! &gt;:(

[Sueno Latino]

<br />[qy used the same amount of effort looking for their own tunes, rather than a dead American/Italian dj that happened to be trendy at the time(Baldelli is a popular one at the moment, even though none of you have probably heard any of his tapes) <br /><br /> Aint nuthin worse than a smug non dj<br />I'll pass your comments on to Daniele ( who incidently is alive and well and STILL DJing)<br /><br />TOO many sliding tackles sunshine! RED CARD! &gt;:(<br /><br />'Incidently' it seems that you are missing my point. I mention Baldelli because it pisses me off when new school 'hangers on' latch onto a supposedly fresh and untapped source only to drop it like a bad smell when they've sucked all the life out and move onto the next unsuspecting DJ. I would rather that this didn't happen to Danielle (who 'incidently' is a friend of mine)<br /><br />A 'smug non dj'???? Grow up. Just someone who cares about music &amp; people. Pass those comments on will you.<br />

[mekanikalgirl]

Its nice to know you care Mr. Latino. It means a lot.<br />I can see your point but you're sounding off to people who care too .<br />I've been chasing after tunes from tapes since about 1980 (its cds now of course) I was 15 and my &quot; mentors&quot; were Trevor M, Colin Curtis, and a certain Greg Wilson . These djs provided me with my first maps of funky music and I'm STILL looking for tunes . I have no desire to steal anyones style ( I've got my own thanks) but if I hear a killer groove I can't help myself, I just gotta find it and own it on 12inch . I also have no desire at all to &quot; grow up&quot;cause I might end up all cynical and bitter about everything and that would never do . <br />I was wrong to assume you were a smug non dj , I'm sure youre a very nice man with lots of great tunes . <br />Just be careful how you come across, some might get the wrong idea and think youre a prick. <br />Now, about that cd youre gonna do for me . . . . . . <br /> ;)

[Sueno Latino]

<br />Its nice to know you care Mr. Latino. It means a lot.<br />I can see your point but you're sounding off to people who care too .<br />I've been chasing after tunes from tapes since about 1980 (its cds now of course) I was 15 and my &quot; mentors&quot; were Trevor M, Colin Curtis, and a certain Greg Wilson . These djs provided me with my first maps of funky music and I'm STILL looking for tunes . I have no desire to steal anyones style ( I've got my own thanks) but if I hear a killer groove I can't help myself, I just gotta find it and own it on 12inch . I also have no desire at all to &quot; grow up&quot;cause I might end up all cynical and bitter about everything and that would never do . <br />I was wrong to assume you were a smug non dj , I'm sure youre a very nice man with lots of great tunes . <br />Just be careful how you come across, some might get the wrong idea and think youre a prick. <br />Now, about that cd youre gonna do for me . . . . . . <br /><br /> To be honest, I've got more important things to think about than worrying if anyone on this page thinks I'm a prick. I have lots of respect for my fellow music buddies and I know they feel the same about me.<br /><br />What would you like on your CD?? ;D<br /><br /> ;)<br />

[mekanikalgirl]

Well ,a good selection of oddball funk, jazz, latin, disco and proto-house gems would go down a storm . In fact , I trust your choice Sueno. Can I do the same ? or could I send you some new vinyl? Top notch stuff of course ;D

[Sueno Latino]

<br />Well ,a good selection of oddball funk, jazz, latin, disco and proto-house gems would go down a storm . In fact , I trust your choice Sueno. Can I do the same ? or could I send you some new vinyl? Top notch stuff of course ;D<br /><br /><br />Would love to receive tape material mekanikalgirl! New vinyl eh? sure. Do you have a label?

[mekanikalgirl]

;) ;D 8)

[mekanikalgirl]

check your PMs sueno :)

[fabiofal]

<br /><br />at least, there's one here that has one tape by Baldelli (dated 1986) in which, as I told some time ago, there's a track (Our Darkness by Ann Clark) also present on Felix's &quot;bugged Out&quot;, and I told myself: &quot;this one's not new, already heard on ..that Baldelli tape! almost 20 years ago! and here there's another fella that's playing it!<br />This is one of the things that makes music unique and universal, for all of us and not only for a few people: share what you feel!<br />(am I too cheesy??? ;) :-* uah uah uah)