Leeds United

[mikuni]

Will the F.A. see sense and give us our 15 point back today?

Big screens up outside Elland Road for the 5pm announcement suggests that Ken Bates doesn't normally spend money like that for nowt.

Doncaster chairman stating he has no gripe with Leeds and will not sue if we get our points back, complete u-turn.

Fingers crossed and eyes down for a full-house and league championship..

[LordMuck]

I'm not particularly hopeful - though if we get 5 points back it will certainly make the final games interesting.

It still riles me that West Ham weren't deducted any points for behaviour that actually influenced the results of games (and then lying about it) - thus condemning Sheff Utd to relegation.

* goes off to search internet for anti-Yorkshire conspiracy theories *

[mikuni]

If the ruling stands as is 10 points on going into administration, then 15 points for not producing a CVA, which is impossible lets face it, then you can kiss good-bye to Luton and Bournemouth next year. Then any club which goes into admin after that..

It's a massive day and decision, not just for Leeds if truth be told..

[Major Dude]

I think it's obscene it's taken this long to reach a decision. The timing is a bad joke. Doncaster and Swansea fans will feel rightfully screwed if you get the 15 points back.

[mattm]

It will be 5 at most so that it doesnt completely skew it all












5 too many in my book

Yours a forest fan

[Count Cookula]

Dirty, cheaty Leeds :p

[Lilac Camel]

Will the F.A. see sense and give us our 15 point back today?

Big screens up outside Elland Road for the 5pm announcement suggests that Ken Bates doesn't normally spend money like that for nowt.

Doncaster chairman stating he has no gripe with Leeds and will not sue if we get our points back, complete u-turn.

Fingers crossed and eyes down for a full-house and league championship..

I no longer care since Carlisle put together a relegation form run-in to drop out of the automatic promotion spot in the last week of the season after being there pretty much all season. :rolleyes:

[Lilac Camel]

Unlucky lads ;)

[fatneck]

they'll be going mad around that statue of rory bremner....

[Count Cookula]

A slap in the face for Kuddly Ken, lovely

[Jolyon]

it serves them right for their shitty tactics at the end of last season. it would have been a disgrace if they had got the points back.

hope they don't get promoted either.

[Major Dude]

Huzzah!

[discokermit]

Dirty, cheaty Leeds :pyes they are. nobody likes leeds.

[Count Cookula]

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3268/leedsbates2file468x432ok1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[RD]

not doctored & he looks like a mash up of santa & fkin dracula!

what a complete tosser

[Count Cookula]

not doctored & he looks like a mash up of santa & fkin dracula!

what a complete tosser

Indeed, something of the night about the Dark Overlord

[jungle slut]

Haha.

[mikuni]

Yep, nobody likes Leeds except Leeds, although there are some nice comments from the scousers on here and I can respect that...

All I can say is -15 points and we still made the play-offs.

Good luck Luton and Bournemouth who'll be -10 at the end of the season and -15 at the start of next. Might as well call it a day for them lads, they will not survive and lets face it, any club not given the same treatment will cause a stir..

I noticed there's not been a lot of cat-calling from the fans of lesser secure teams, there but for the grace of god go I, and all that...

Leeds= 35+ years from being the Man U of their day, and the only team in 42KM of the UK's 5/6th largest city and/or the 4th largest conabation, yep easy to hate a good honest fan-base like that... Well done lads!

[mikuni]

Indeed, something of the night about the Dark Overlord

I think we can safely assume he's never tooled any ladyboys.. (can't believe I'm sticking up for Ken)..

[mikuni]

Haha.

Verbose as always, I can only assume you were at Twickers, when you were in the 2nd division and bankrupt..

Reminds me of Tim Dim But Nice:

"Always been a Chelsea fan, Come on you reds!!!"

[mikuni]

Having read that independent review of the situation, I've lost my feeling of righteous indignation, apologies...

http://www.football-league.premiumtv.co.uk/staticFiles/4c/ec/0,,10794~126028,00.pdf

Anyway, Love Leeds, Hate Bates!

[I Robot]

The arbitration should never have taken place in the last week of the season.
Reports suggest if Leeds had continued their poor form and were set to finish mid table they would have been awarded some points back.McAllisters appointment and the upsurge in form seems to have taken them by surprise.

It does seem Chairman Ken was up to his usual devious shenanigans but is this really a time to gloat.The events at Leeds over the last few yrs are a sad time for ALL supporters.No clubs are safe anymore and if the FA and League carry on makin the rules up as they go along more clubs will be affected and go to the wall

[Sell By Dave]

Yep, nobody likes Leeds except Leeds, although there are some nice comments from the scousers on here and I can respect that...

All I can say is -15 points and we still made the play-offs.

Good luck Luton and Bournemouth who'll be -10 at the end of the season and -15 at the start of next. Might as well call it a day for them lads, they will not survive and lets face it, any club not given the same treatment will cause a stir..

I noticed there's not been a lot of cat-calling from the fans of lesser secure teams, there but for the grace of god go I, and all that...

Leeds= 35+ years from being the Man U of their day, and the only team in 42KM of the UK's 5/6th largest city and/or the 4th largest conabation, yep easy to hate a good honest fan-base like that... Well done lads!

Point 1: Sheffield is bigger than Leeds in terms of population. This is a fact.

As for Leeds Utd… to be honest, I agree with those who say Leeds shouldn't have got any points back. For too long football clubs have spent money recklessly and used the CVA/administration option as a cheap way of getting out of their debt commitments. All those small, local businesses who rely on income from the football club will lose valuable revenue - in some cases their major income comes from supplying the clubs. It's not just faceless corporations that lose out.

Leeds are a particularly bad example of clubs using administration/CVAs as a way out. Bates and company were trying to pull a fast one - they got caught and were rightly punished.

There is no 'conspiracy' against Leeds, as some of their fans seem to think. No-one is singling them out. The club has consistently been mismanaged over the last decade and now you're paying the price. Instead of backing Bates and crying foul/thinking the world has it in for you, you really should be asking tougher questions of the clowns that have done this to YOUR club - the likes of Risdale, Bates etc.

Unlike some posters here I'm not anti Leeds. A lot of my family is from up that way and are regulars at Elland Road (though most prefer Rugby League and watching the Rhinos, who are probably the most entertaining team around right now). My mum even used to be a Leeds season ticket holder in her youth (hilariously, her dad wouldn't let her go to the rugby as it was a "man's game" so she went to the football instead).

Aside from the top few clubs, football is in a huge mess. Player wages are hugely inflated, transfer fees too high and club management reckless. Perhaps a few clubs going under - however bad this will be for the likes of Bournemouth (who I used to go watch when I was a student) - will focus minds at boardroom level a bit more.

[mikuni]

Point 1: Sheffield is bigger than Leeds in terms of population. This is a fact.

As for Leeds Utd… to be honest, I agree with those who say Leeds shouldn't have got any points back. For too long football clubs have spent money recklessly and used the CVA/administration option as a cheap way of getting out of their debt commitments. All those small, local businesses who rely on income from the football club will lose valuable revenue - in some cases their major income comes from supplying the clubs. It's not just faceless corporations that lose out.

Leeds are a particularly bad example of clubs using administration/CVAs as a way out. Bates and company were trying to pull a fast one - they got caught and were rightly punished.

There is no 'conspiracy' against Leeds, as some of their fans seem to think. No-one is singling them out. The club has consistently been mismanaged over the last decade and now you're paying the price. Instead of backing Bates and crying foul/thinking the world has it in for you, you really should be asking tougher questions of the clowns that have done this to YOUR club - the likes of Risdale, Bates etc.

Unlike some posters here I'm not anti Leeds. A lot of my family is from up that way and are regulars at Elland Road (though most prefer Rugby League and watching the Rhinos, who are probably the most entertaining team around right now). My mum even used to be a Leeds season ticket holder in her youth (hilariously, her dad wouldn't let her go to the rugby as it was a "man's game" so she went to the football instead).

Aside from the top few clubs, football is in a huge mess. Player wages are hugely inflated, transfer fees too high and club management reckless. Perhaps a few clubs going under - however bad this will be for the likes of Bournemouth (who I used to go watch when I was a student) - will focus minds at boardroom level a bit more.

Thanks Dave, read this and agree totally with you...

[mikuni]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gjHlBvwQ45w :)

[mikuni]

And this one's for Mr Scally of Gillingham, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hU4MnDDPsPQ :)

[Sandy Marton]

Point 1: Sheffield is bigger than Leeds in terms of population. This is a fact.


I think you're wrong there ;)

http://www.citymayors.com/gratis/uk_topcities.html

[mattm]

When I lived in Sheffield I always thouhgt it was meant to be bigger


Anywa back to Leeds - There's a Southbank Show on the Damned United / Cloughs shortd managerial reign this Sunday

[Sell By Dave]

I think you're wrong there ;)

http://www.citymayors.com/gratis/uk_topcities.html

Pah. Bloody Mancs. Sheffield is miles better than Leeds, and bigger. It has more trees too, and less women with nasal accents.

[mikuni]

Pah. Bloody Mancs. Sheffield is miles better than Leeds, and bigger. It has more trees too, and less women with nasal accents.

True that :) Noticed you missed the usual '7 hills and Rome' comparison in your summing up.. :)

We've got Harvey Nichols & you've got Binns (???) :)

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p.s. good luck to Lilac Camel for Monday.. :) I see you've given us 1,600 tickets in the Waterwork's End, so we've given you the same at Elland Road..

p.p.s. well played to mattm (and all Forest fans), you deserved it, especially after last year and dare I say it, respect for having nothing to say in the press about us trying to get our points back, which is how it should have been, good luck!!!

[hambo]

When I lived in Sheffield I always thouhgt it was meant to be bigger


Anywa back to Leeds - There's a Southbank Show on the Damned United / Cloughs shortd managerial reign this Sunday


You mean this (http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Leeds-United-Brian-Clough-novel.4060802.jp)?

[Lilac Camel]

[QUOTE=mikuni;345262]
p.s. good luck to Lilac Camel for Monday.. :) I see you've given us 1,600 tickets in the Waterwork's End, so we've given you the same at Elland Road..

QUOTE]

Police orders, mate – you know what your lot are like when they’ve had a few power-shandies ;)

[LordMuck]

You mean this (http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Leeds-United-Brian-Clough-novel.4060802.jp)?

Whatever your views on Leeds, Clough, Forest, football (mp3's, edits etc.), "The Damned United" by David Peace is a bloody good read. The author is a friend of my brothers, so I've been aware of his stuff for ages - but this must be his best yet (and his most accessible)...

[hambo]

Its one of those books on my list to read. Fortunately/unfortunately I'm in a book group so it's @ the bottom of my pile, so to speak.

[LordMuck]

Its one of those books on my list to read. Fortunately/unfortunately I'm in a book group so it's @ the bottom of my pile, so to speak.

One of the good things about it is that it has loads of very short chapters, making it a very easy/quick read - you could polish it off in a couple of days...

[Little Beaver]

Whatever your views on Leeds, Clough, Forest, football (mp3's, edits etc.), "The Damned United" by David Peace is a bloody good read. The author is a friend of my brothers, so I've been aware of his stuff for ages - but this must be his best yet (and his most accessible)...
Brilliant book, though it's so steeped in Scotch that you get a hangover just reading it.

[mikuni]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f6/kg666666/WE_ARE_LEEDS_2.gif

[mikuni]

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkd3HWQu32Q eddie

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=2FAEHjWonis tony

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=QqDQcyRsLYU vinnie

[Jackson]

Must concur, The Damned United is a mighty fine read

[LordMuck]

Tonight's the night (Part 1)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fixtures/default.stm

[Count Cookula]

Come on whoever's playing Leeds!

[Lilac Camel]

Come on whoever's playing Leeds!

Carlisle United. Sadly I think we'll get a drubbing though. Our form lately's been abysmal.

[LordMuck]

0-1

Bugger! :(

[LordMuck]

0-2

Holy fuck! :( :( :(

[LordMuck]

1-2

Hope is alive :)

[Count Cookula]

Carlisle United. Sadly I think we'll get a drubbing though. Our form lately's been abysmal.

Has it ever felt so right to be wrong?

Well done the Cumbrians

[mikuni]

Yep well done LC, 2-1 going into the 2nd leg on Thursday at your place, Carlisle with the best home-record in the league, not too confident, not sure why Prutton and Beckford were rested by MacAllister, strange tactics...

2nd division and still a cup-final for some :)

[Lilac Camel]

Cheers lads. Was great to see us playing decent football again. Got a horrible feeling the last minute goal might will come back to haunt us though, especially with away goals not counting double after 90 minutes.

[fatneck]

how come they only took 1000 fans down to elland road ?

I know it's a long way, but still.....

[Lilac Camel]

how come they only took 1000 fans down to elland road ?

I know it's a long way, but still.....

Baffling to be honest. I know it was a Monday night but a few years ago I remember going to Rochdale in the season we got relegated to the Conference when we had more than 3,000 there.

Still, I sat on my fat arse eating chocolate digestives watching it on SKY so I'm a fine one to talk ;)

[Lilac Camel]

To Lord Muck and Mikuni, congratulations lads and good luck in the final.

To my Leeds mate Chris who's sent me about 5 texts in the last hour, fuck off you cunt ;)

Night all.

[the mighty asok]

To Lord Muck and Mikuni, congratulations lads and good luck in the final.

To my Leeds mate Chris who's sent me about 5 texts in the last hour, fuck off you cunt ;)

Night all.


quality football banter. Always good room for a "fuck off you cunt".

[mikuni]

Cheers LC, you're a gent.. I know how it feels, keep that squad and you'll be there next year as well..

I'm sure we'll fluff it against Donny, but lets see.

I've heard there's more than a few lewd banners being made as I type, enough to get on the telly and the fans should be pretty vocal for this one. Should be 45 minutes of, "15 points who gives a fuck" and another 45 of "we are the champions, champions of Europe.."

I expect most of the Leeds exile celebs will be out in force. I can't see Jeremy Paxton, Nasser Hussain, Tim Booth, Jay Joplin and Damien Hirst struggling for a ticket for this one...

Please make it Donny, please!!! :)

[LordMuck]

Thanks LC – you are indeed a gent of the old school.

Wasn’t able to watch/listen to events unfold last night - but I did predict the 0-2 scoreline to Mikuni earlier in the week. Unfortunately my crystal ball is now telling me that we might bottle it in the final (again).

[mikuni]

Three more sleeps Lord Muck, three more sleeps...

[LordMuck]

Well done Hull City. Leeds' turn tomorrow...

[Count Cookula]

Come on Donny! :p

[mikuni]

Well done Hull, friends are salivating at the thought of graphics on MOTD showing the map of Britain and then swooping into Hull Kingston Communications Stadium, he's extatic. Hull's a good honest team, well supported in a town which could have easily gone to Salford.

As for us, just hope we don't bottle it, will raise an Asashi for you LM..

2-nil Leeds..?

[Count Cookula]

2-nil Leeds..?

Nope

[LordMuck]

Speechless. Now signing-off for a week while I come to terms with this... :(

[I Robot]

Thought we'd have had some comment before now from Mikuni about Leeds'
good start to the season

Keep it up lad and you'll be back where you belong in the Prem next season and the nightmare'll be over

[mikuni]

Thought we'd have had some comment before now from Mikuni about Leeds'
good start to the season

Keep it up lad and you'll be back where you belong in the Prem next season and the nightmare'll be over

Cheers mate - but I think it's statistically impossible for us to hit the Prem next season :)

Season looks to be a good one, MacAllister's made some good signings, Robbie Snodgrass and the new Argentinian striker look great by all accounts. Jesus (Prutton) has signed for another year with us and the all important youth are coming through, let's hope we can hang on to them, Fabien Delph especially, already in the England U20's as first choice right-wing and we're in D3.. :)

[I Robot]

[QUOTE=mikuni;375008]Cheers mate - but I think it's statistically impossible for us to hit the Prem next season :)

oops sorry !! For some reason had it in me head you were promoted last yr
No offence meant :hidesbehi

Hopefully you'll be on the up again soon with McAllister :-D

[mikuni]

5-2 Leeds..

*makes a point not to mention the opposition*

http://www.neatorama.com/images/2006-08/star-trek-inspirational-poster.jpg

[Lilac Camel]

Sooperlids.

I'm still trying to work out what Noel Whelan was doing on Celebrity Masterchef.

[LordMuck]

*makes a point not to mention the opposition*


Yes the mighty Chester crumbled before the Leeds attack.

Bring on Palace...

[I Robot]

4 - 0 against Palace

McAllister seems to be weavin a bit of magic there

[LordMuck]

I await the 3rd round draw with some anticipation - not something I've ever said before...

[mikuni]

Fabien Delph, by all accounts the brightest prospect at Leeds in a long time, let's face it if we don't go up next year we'll lose him at the end of the year. He's already in the England Under 20's and makes Kewell on his good day/s look like a Sunday League player.

Fabien Delph, you heard his name here first folks...

Friend of mine went to the Palace game. He said there was a young lass in the pub who told him this lad from her school had text her in the morning to say he was playing in the Leeds team, obviously they all patted her on the head and said of course he did love. Turns out it was Eamon White, first game for Leeds at leftback and had an absolute blinder. How must that feel? 15 years old, great I guess..

Other things I picked up on:

It should have been 7 - nil we played them off the park.

The signing of Telfer's a nice bit of business.

The Aussie Kilkenny is a big talker on the pitch and might be pushing for a rightful place as captain.

The Argentinian, Becchio, looks to be great classic centre forward, works his socks off and wins the the ball in the air all night long.

If we don't win this league with this squad then we're screwed we'll be down here for ages..

Read the article by Shaun Derry pre-Palace match and thought; a) why did Wise let him go, b) why is Wise such a wanker, c) Derry is a geniunly pragmatic and articulate football, not many of them to a pound is there???

Oh yeah, and Wise is a wanker (sure I mentioned that) and Bates is way ahead of Thatch on my 'hope they kark-it soon list'.

Love Leeds Hate Bates!

Tokyo Supporters Club!

p.s. back for the Crewe Alex game on the 6th - can't wait to see Delph, before we sell him.. :(

[mikuni]

Sod it here you go, Shaun Derry's comments about Leeds....


"If I'm being honest with people then I'd say that Dennis Wise is not someone I got on with personally.

"That's often the case in football. You can't see eye-to-eye with everyone and I don't wish ill-will on any individual at Leeds. In fact, I wish them all the luck in the world. But there wasn't much left for me as things stood.

"When I captained Leeds for Dennis' first game as manager I thought then that the relationship would be a long one, but times change and they change quickly. I had horrendous injury problems but when I recovered in November I wasn't invited to train with the first team, and I was honest enough to accept the bigger picture there and then.

"The situation was clear as day, and I didn't really expect that another opportunity would come along.

"Five years ago my reaction to that might have been very volatile. These days I've got a wife and two children, and you have to keep a level head. I'd have been happy to fight for my place at Leeds but Crystal Palace were offering me a better chance. This move isn't just about football, it's about my responsibilities as a father and a husband.

"I've had brilliant times as Leeds, and none better than getting to the play-off final. That will stay with me forever. But 2007 was a case of going from one disaster to another. Neil Warnock showed faith in me at exactly the point when I needed it, and I'm joining Palace for him as much as anyone else.

"People who know me would say that I'm a man of my word, and I had a contract with Palace which I felt I should honour
"The fact that Leeds didn't ask for a 24-hour recall clause spoke volumes in my opinion. I didn't feel I was wanted there.

"I was always willing to return to Leeds, and I would have gone back there happily this week if a deal hadn't been agreed. But I didn't think it was right to go back before the end of my loan and to let down the people who had given me a chance. I didn't want to burn my bridges with Crystal Palace.

"A permanent transfer was never guaranteed, and it was probably questionable right up until last week. What I did know was that I couldn't count on a future at Leeds, and I needed to think of my own career and my own circumstances. In the end, it was the right decision for me.

"But I'm not prepared to be bitter about way my time with Leeds has come to an end. Despite the ups and downs, these three years have given me a lot of perspective about the job we do.

"We're incredibly lucky to be footballers, and the more I think about the years I spent with Leeds, the more privileged I am to be one.

"As a family we emptied our house in Harrogate on Monday night, and there were a few tears shed as we left.

"It's been home to us for a long time, and we'd all say it was the best place to live in England. It helps when you're playing for one of the country's best clubs.

"Signing for Leeds United was such a proud day for me, and there can't be a single player who wasn't sad to leave the club. I've had good times and bad times, and some of the bad times have been very difficult. But the whole experience has been unforgettable. It's been an absolute privilege.

"You don't choose to play for Leeds United, the club choose you. I'm honoured that they did. My son Jesse will be brought up as a Leeds United fan now because when I was young it was traditional to support your local team, and Leeds are his. He'll thank me for that when he's old enough to understand."

[mikuni]

Was back for 5-2 win over Crewe.

Fabien Delph makes Theo Walcott look like Ian Dowey - fact! :)

If we hold on to him I'd be highly surprised.. :(

[mikuni]

Lilac Camel - good luck this weekend mate!!!

Watch out for this fella..

http://file046a.bebo.com/6/large/2008/08/31/17/3847886030a8776509272l.jpg
Like the lovechild of Rocastle, Dacourt and Ronaldinho - Fabien Delph...

[mikuni]

Bring on the posh!

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/celebdatabase/victoriabeckham/victoria_beckham6_180_240.jpg

[LordMuck]

Here we go again:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulfletcher/2008/12/mcallister_out_what_next_for_l.html#051838

Now I don’t much like his manner and I’m naturally suspicious of someone who would call himself “Aidy”, but I think Boothroyd could be the man for the job…

[nathanstardust]

Breaking News..... Simon Grayson is Leeds new victim

[LordMuck]

Breaking News..... Simon Grayson is Leeds new victim

Yes it's official - have just heard the bassist from Kaiser Chiefs discussing it on 5 Live...

[mikuni]

Yes it's official - have just heard the bassist from Kaiser Chiefs discussing it on 5 Live...

James Brown was in the boardroom when it broke, not the soul singer obviously...

Manure in for Delph 10 Mill and two juniors on loan for a year - I'd take it...