Metro Area - Muira (maelstrom Edit)

[Maelstrom]

OK, so you really shouldn't mess with a classic but, well, I was bored this afternoon and fancied giving one of my favourite all-time tunes a slight overhaul. In the end I decided to draw out the hook in that incessant Carl Craig kinda way and I think I did what I set out to achieve, even adding a little guitar lick into the bargain.

I realise this might be classed a blasphemy but I'd really like to hear what anyone thinks of it as it's my first foray into the anorak world of edit...

METRO AREA - MUIRA (MAELSTROM EDIT) (http://www.zshare.net/audio/2311539311b541/)

Thanks,

Paul x

[fiscus]

wow....

i´m really curious about this...
on the dl...

and thanks for sharing

[fiscus]

i like it...

simple and effective...i love the guitar

i would love to play this out sometime...

this would then be a miura triple...with your version, the original and the edit of the mindless boogie ep....sensational...

[Maelstrom]

Hey,

Thanks for the feedback. Glad you liked it...

:)

[baleariksoul]

Hi Paul x

Nice work! :-D

Paul

[jackamoto]

Verrrrry nice - thanks.

[machinesoul]

Thought it was a record that shouldn't be tampered with to be honest...............but I like this , thanks.

[rob.j]

Just about to add my *ahem* prince and muria mashup to this thread...

* redoing it properly at the moment with software as opposed to 2 decks ;) *

cheers

rob

[rob.j]

here you go, nomrally run these two together on vinyl but threw them together tonight in acid!

didn't have time to rip muria so d'loaded the version off the late night tales LP so theres little extra bit in it from LP mixing into another rec / effects etc from LP :)

i'll do it proper next week in studio when i have my right hand man to assist with the techy bits ;)

not the best as rushed but they do kinda go?

http://www.sendspace.com/file/k4k53b

cheers

rob

ps. nice version maelstrom ;)

[Matt Giddy Fruit]

here you go, nomrally run these two together on vinyl but threw them together tonight in acid!

didn't have time to rip muria so d'loaded the version off the late night tales LP so theres little extra bit in it from LP mixing into another rec / effects etc from LP :)

i'll do it proper next week in studio when i have my right hand man to assist with the techy bits ;)

not the best as rushed but they do kinda go?

http://www.sendspace.com/file/k4k53b

cheers

rob



ps. nice version maelstrom ;)



Go on son! Inspired. Is that the whole of When doves cry over it or an accapellary thing?

[Pavel Plastikk]

it sounds good in general
but samples you used are little bit overlooped as for me
I'd like to listen much more "germinative" edit with less loop-sounds in it
try to use more effects maybe

[ivan_smackhead]

all of a sudden my pause button tape edits on my old toshiba music centre sound shite in comparison...

[rob.j]

Go on son! Inspired. Is that the whole of When doves cry over it or an accapellary thing?

Tis the whole of the tune bar bout 4-5 seconds at the start *fade in*

cheers

rob

[Maelstrom]

Finally got around to downloading it...good concept although, now that I've heard it, I'm almost sure that it's been done before. I might be wrong though.

[rob.j]

Finally got around to downloading it...good concept although, now that I've heard it, I'm almost sure that it's been done before. I might be wrong though.

I posted a version of it before ( just done on t'tables ) on other sites and a very very old mix....gotta be 5yrs ago.
I'd not heard anyone else do it.....just messing about yrs ago and they clicked

cheers

rob

[Sal Paradise]

I like this, nice work.

[Maelstrom]

Cheers!

I've started an artist myspazz and have this up for download along with a little thing I just finished entitled 'Axelrod' which, as you can probably guess, is a homage to the legend that is David Axelrod.

There's also a disco thing up there too which needs tweaked a little but you can give it a blast and let me know what you think.

www.myspace.com/maelstromdoesdisco

Ta.

[Maelstrom]

Just got the thumbs up from Darshan on this.

:cool:

[bo dereks tits]

would love to hear both maelstrom's and rob's edit. Can anyone up these again? would be cool to play these tonight. rob's is expired and zshare freezes my Safari.

maelstrom - i dig it. nice job, i like how it's very heavy and layered, and the added percussion is nice too. Nice contrast to the (sort of) sparseness of the OG.

[drwahwah]

would love to hear both maelstrom's and rob's edit. Can anyone up these again? would be cool to play these tonight. rob's is expired and zshare freezes my Safari.


Seconded please

[Maelstrom]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/xyrm81

;)

[Maelstrom]

The 24:Hours (http://2-4-hours.blogspot.com/) and Palms Out Sounds (http://www.palmsout.blogspot.com/) blogs have kindly made my little edit available for download. Support so far from Nick Chacona, Tim Sweeney (Beats In Space), Rob da Bank, Nicky Siano, Peter Visti, Bill Brewster, Greg Wilson, Pete Herbert, Harri (Sub Club)...

Enjoy!

[Funkoff]

Your edit is on my blog too: http://disco-city.blogspot.com/.
Hope its fine with You.
I played it recently at a party in Cracow and the crowd loved it.
Keep up good work.

[Maelstrom]

No problem...glad you like it!

:-D

[Solid State]

cant hear on my PC (my fault - no speakers) but cant get it to save onto desktop in order to get it to cd either... any tips?

[Maelstrom]

I can, um, email it to you if you like...

[goodnessgreatness]

this is great.

[Solid State]

I can, um, email it to you if you like...that would be nice thanks

solidstate@blueyonder.co.uk

[jackamoto]

http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/285379-01.htm

!?

[Solid State]

oh!

[dee!]

..What the fuck is this?

Solid State, what happened to your question (originally posted above) about whether this was done with or without Maelsrom's approval/knowedge? That's definitely what *I* (and I'm sure others) would like to know. Why did you erase your query?

And Maelstrom, I thought we were clear that this was to be an edit for personal use and sharing, not for sale.

Judging by the way you've since been so eager to get over on the back of Miura, I suppose I should'nt have expected anything less. Nice one, and I'm really looking forward to the next one in your series, now that you've undoubtedly been inspired by the response to this; though you can rest assured it has absolutely nothing to do with you or your "work". Anything else you feel like you can enhance with a lame drum track? You are a shameless tool and you need to leave the making of records to people who have something original to contribute.

In case you hadn't noticed, the business of selling recorded music is in serious flux and we are taking hits left, right and center. Now would be the time to treat copyright-holders and authors of intellectual property with respect, proper licensing protocol and kid-fucking-gloves, not to bootleg and re-sell their shit to boost your own profile. Thanks a lot, asshole!

And by the way, I hadn't listened to your edit until now, so when I replied to you on MySpace I gave my approval in the abstract, based solely on the principle that you're free to do what you want as long as you don't re-sell our work, not because I heard what you did and liked it. Thanks a lot for honoring that!

Thanks again man, take it easy.

[jitterbug]

i believe this is what they call "the shit hitting the fan"

[fomo]

i gotta be honest too mael. there was an understanding i believed from yourself, that darshan didnt want the track going out. so would have been nice to honour that.
but yeah we dont know the full story, maelstrom may not anything to do with it mind, on the otherhand bloody hell its done well, out of stock already.
miura is a great record and i have my own opinion on the edit. lets look on a positive side.
it put the og back in my box and im sure many others for the dancefloors to enjoy again amongest all this pysche rock hoedown cosmic thingy me jigs :-D

[s_busby_uk]

When my mate told me there was a Miura remix up on Phonica, I had an inclination it might be the Maelstrom edit. Pretty surprised to find out it is though!

[pipecock]

..What the fuck is this?

Solid State, what happened to your question (originally posted above) about whether this was done with or without Maelsrom's approval/knowedge? That's definitely what *I* (and I'm sure others) would like to know. Why did you erase your query?

And Maelstrom, I thought we were clear that this was to be an edit for personal use and sharing, not for sale.

Judging by the way you've since been so eager to get over on the back of Miura, I suppose I should'nt have expected anything less. Nice one, and I'm really looking forward to the next one in your series, now that you've undoubtedly been inspired by the response to this; though you can rest assured it has absolutely nothing to do with you or your "work". Anything else you feel like you can enhance with a lame drum track? You are a shameless tool and you need to leave the making of records to people who have something original to contribute.

In case you hadn't noticed, the business of selling recorded music is in serious flux and we are taking hits left, right and center. Now would be the time to treat copyright-holders and authors of intellectual property with respect, proper licensing protocol and kid-fucking-gloves, not to bootleg and re-sell their shit to boost your own profile. Thanks a lot, asshole!

And by the way, I hadn't listened to your edit until now, so when I replied to you on MySpace I gave my approval in the abstract, based solely on the principle that you're free to do what you want as long as you don't re-sell our work, not because I heard what you did and liked it. Thanks a lot for honoring that!

Thanks again man, take it easy.

i guess you weren't feeling the edit then, eh?

look, i love metro area as much as the next man. i respect any artists desire to maintain control over their art, and i appreciate the way you guys at environ have gone about licensing things for reissue and the like. that said, morgan in old interviews talks about initially digging for disco in order to jack loops from it. shit, how many original house tunes jacked their concepts straight from other songs? the point is that once music is out there, people are gonna do things with it. some will be good, some will be bad (i personally dont need this edit of muria, ill just stick with the original). you guys were part of the jackers, and now youll be part of the jackees. its called life. if everyone "respected the copyright holders" or whatever, we wouldnt have some of the best music ever created. the fact that you guys make your living from music now shouldnt influence you to the point that you forget where this all came from.

[Dubious]

you guys were part of the jackers, and now youll be part of the jackees.

there's metro area records with loads of jacked samples??

i dont think you're making the right argument here man. Obviously its a slippery slope what with the LEGIONS of dodgy reversions, straight jacks, looped bits with filters that have been put out through the ages, some having gone on to be considered classics in their own right.

but honestly i think this edit goes to far.. havent heard it.. why would i need to?

when the existing artist is still out there..still putting out music.. still doing it INDEPENDENTLY you cross the line.

[pipecock]

there's metro area records with loads of jacked samples??

not metro area records, morgan's own solo joints.

i dont think you're making the right argument here man. Obviously its a slippery slope what with the LEGIONS of dodgy reversions, straight jacks, looped bits with filters that have been put out through the ages, some having gone on to be considered classics in their own right.

but honestly i think this edit goes to far.. havent heard it.. why would i need to?

when the existing artist is still out there..still putting out music.. still doing it INDEPENDENTLY you cross the line.

IMO there are no rules to it. theo parrish did edits on his ugly edit series of Only Child jams as well as other current musicians. who cares? i can see getting irritated with this guy for making a bad edit of a good song, but thats the extent of it.

[Phil Potter]

gotta agree Doob. M.Area really go out of their way to "do the right thing" regarding original artists. they have tried to be an example to dance music producers & i'm sure have put up with much more hassle & made less money by choosing to do so.

why would you re-edit Miura anyway? if you can't even spell the song title, you shouldn't touch it.:rolleyes:

i hope you had nothing to do with the vinyl Maelstrom.

[Bandana Ferret]

i dont think you're making the right argument here man.

He's making the right argument, just aiming it at the wrong people.
There are plenty of labels and 'producers' out there who have ripped off others, and should expect no respect in others leaving their product be.
However Metro Area is not one of them.

Its pretty disgusting that this has happened, but y'all shouldn't be suprised.
This is the vulture like, opportunistic, talentless re-edit culture that 99% percent of all forum members here not only support, but froth at the mouth about.

Your culture is eating itself and you are chefs.

It could be that that Maelstrom is not at fault and that this re-edit has been put out without his knowlege. It could also be that he's a young guy who didn't understand the very dodgy ethics of what he was doing, and in the current climate where every other new record is a re-edit, I could understand his lack of foresight. It might also be that the 'thumbs up' he received was taken in the wrong way. Give the guy opportunity to respond before you shoot him.

[Dubious]

I agree its a personal issue. If you dig Theo and you like his edits of tracks and you want to buy them (for reediculous prices) then fine. If samples / loops bore you to tears then steer clear. Obviously he's playing into an established re-editing tradition that goes way back.. but personally theo doesnt do anything for me AT all and a great deal of that has to do with the sampling... but this is a personal aesthetic thing.

There is a VERY limited market for this music out there right now. The state of distro is a disaster... online sales have not picked up the slack.. it is NOT easy to maintain any momentum as an indy label ...esp one that prides itself on taking the hi road on a number of issues both musical and ethical. And then at the end of the day to se your material straight up ripped off and sold in front of you is truely disheartening.

it is a spot where i feel the need to draw a line in the sand. If im at the store checking new records im not going to buy the re-edit over AN original production any day of the week.. i dont care how HOT the track is ...

[pipecock]

gotta agree Doob. M.Area really go out of their way to "do the right thing" regarding original artists. they have tried to be an example to dance music producers & i'm sure have put up with much more hassle & made less money by choosing to do so.

leading by example is admirable, i really like that they go out of their way to do things the right way. it doesnt change the fact that morgan geist wouldnt be a name to anyone without his older tracks, many of which did indeed use illegal samples. the culture of illegal releases has been and always will be. to try to set rules for how it works is not going to work.

He's making the right argument, just aiming it at the wrong people.
There are plenty of labels and 'producers' out there who have ripped off others, and should expect no respect in others leaving their product be.
However Metro Area is not one of them.

morgan geist used illegal samples. and in fact got into disco through digging for those illegal samples. without that, perhaps metro area would not even exist? i have no idea if darshan even produced anything with illegal samples, but it wouldnt surprise me at all.

Its pretty disgusting that this has happened, but y'all shouldn't be suprised.
This is the vulture like, opportunistic, talentless re-edit culture that 99% percent of all forum members here not only support, but froth at the mouth about.

Your culture is eating itself and you are chefs.

people said the same thing about hiphop and house music when they came out. was that the truth then? quite obviously not. why would it be now? there are bootleg edits that are the DEFINITIVE versions of some songs (krivit's edit of "love is the message" is one obvious one) and have been since the dawn of the disco era. original artists and people sampling, remixing, editing, etc those artists have been a part of this culture since day 1.

I agree its a personal issue. If you dig Theo and you like his edits of tracks and you want to buy them (for reediculous prices) then fine.

you can get almost all of them for fairly cheap, just like any record.

If samples / loops bore you to tears then steer clear. Obviously he's playing into an established re-editing tradition that goes way back.. but personally theo doesnt do anything for me AT all and a great deal of that has to do with the sampling... but this is a personal aesthetic thing.

that's fine if you want to draw that line. personally, i think its stupid to limit yourself when looking through music in a culture that has had that aesthetic ingrained in it the whole time, but that's your prerogative. if loops stop you from understanding the genius that is dj premier, j dilla, theo parrish, carl craig, etc etc, thats your loss, not anyone else's.

There is a VERY limited market for this music out there right now. The state of distro is a disaster... online sales have not picked up the slack.. it is NOT easy to maintain any momentum as an indy label ...esp one that prides itself on taking the hi road on a number of issues both musical and ethical. And then at the end of the day to se your material straight up ripped off and sold in front of you is truely disheartening.

if you don't want people to use your shit, don't put it out at all, or just make trash that no one would ever want to use. environ is cool because they dont boot the things that they obviously could when they rerelease things, and they lead by that example. i personally believe that is the right thing to do. but does that make an illegal theo parrish or harvey edit sound bad? hell no!

it is a spot where i feel the need to draw a line in the sand. If im at the store checking new records im not going to buy the re-edit over AN original production any day of the week.. i dont care how HOT the track is ...

what if the original track sucks and the edit is good? no rule is going to always apply. some edits are good, some are bad. i listen to them and decide. thats the only rule.

[Rotter3*]

I find myself totally in agreement with Pipey! - That's a first ;)

[knorben knussen]

It sounds like Mael had good intentions at first by asking if it was cool to use the edit. But it will be interesting to see if the edit just got out of the bag and out into the bootleggers hands or what. If he didn't actually care and was going to use it anyway, why ask? Either is was a slap in the face or it was a way to feel as though he was covering his bases (when if that is what was needed it should have been licensed).

Gonna have to agree with Pipe on this though. It's out there. Having your work used in a different way you didn't intend is always going to be a risk. It sucks, and I would hate it, too, but that's life. You just have to figure out a way to beat them I guess. Carl Craig did his own version of Darkness after somebody "remade" it with a kick drum. Don't know if it helped, but he was quick to re-act and perhaps it helped his sales in the end.

It's a dog eat dog world. Er, in this case a dog eat saint to some. :-D

[Phil Potter]

.... to try to set rules for how it works is not going to work.


but there are rules. they're called social rules & they exist the world over with variation. obviously, M. Area and many other people are going to think Maelstrom is a knob ( unless he didn't do it but he's not talking as of yet). it's the way the world works. do what you want but be a man & live up to the consequences of what you do. you can't hide behind the history of & the culture of re-edits if you do a knob-head thing.


morgan geist used illegal samples. and in fact got into disco through digging for those illegal samples. without that, perhaps metro area would not even exist? i have no idea if darshan even produced anything with illegal samples, but it wouldnt surprise me at all.

i'm not aware of any M.G or M.A. tunes that run a flimsy drumtrack under a well known song. however, i haven't heard their whole output so...



people said the same thing about hiphop and house music when they came out. was that the truth then? quite obviously not. why would it be now?


you aren't suggesting house & hip hop are in a good place? both genres are largely big jokes with a comparatively small contingent of artists who trying to be real.

"This is the vulture like, opportunistic, talentless..."

i think you CAN say those things about house & hip hop unless you're talking about that truly talented contingent of artists who are in it for the love.





that's fine if you want to draw that line. personally, i think its stupid to limit yourself when looking through music in a culture that has had that aesthetic ingrained in it the whole time, but that's your prerogative. if loops stop you from understanding the genius that is dj premier, j dilla, theo parrish, carl craig, etc etc, thats your loss, not anyone else's.


you're just being argumentative pipe. how is not liking Theo P equal to not liking anyone who uses a sampler? the only line i saw Dubious draw was between Theo P's music & himself which isn't a "stupid" move in any form.


if you don't want people to use your shit, don't put it out at all, or just make trash that no one would ever want to use.

yes, intellectual property is a shit idea.

attention all lazy / shiftless assholes. please come use my hard work in any way you please! it's my fault for making a good product!



no rule is going to always apply. some edits are good, some are bad. i listen to them and decide..

agreed

It sounds like Mael had good intentions at first by asking if it was cool to use the edit. But it will be interesting to see if the edit just got out of the bag and out into the bootleggers hands or what. If he didn't actually care and was going to use it anyway, why ask? ...


i think you need to re-read this KK:arrow:
...

And Maelstrom, I thought we were clear that this was to be an edit for personal use and sharing, not for sale.

...

And by the way, I hadn't listened to your edit until now, so when I replied to you on MySpace I gave my approval in the abstract, based solely on the principle that you're free to do what you want as long as you don't re-sell our work, not because I heard what you did and liked it. Thanks a lot for honoring that!
...

[knorben knussen]

Good point. Writing in a hurry at work. :oops:

All I was wondering was if he put the edit out himself or not (like everybody else). One would assume that if he went out of the way to ask for permission to use the edit on a personal basis that he would definitely ask to put it out on vinyl. Perhaps it was a miscommunication?

Either way it's a shame that there is bad blood around it. I liked the edit alright (don't think I would buy the vinyl), but I love the original and it actually reminded me to put it back in the bag as I'm sure it did for some others around here.

In the end Metro Area put out quality music and I don't think that they need to worry about somebody editing/remixing/whateveryouwanttocallit their work.

[pipecock]

but there are rules. they're called social rules & they exist the world over with variation. obviously, M. Area and many other people are going to think Maelstrom is a knob ( unless he didn't do it but he's not talking as of yet). it's the way the world works. do what you want but be a man & live up to the consequences of what you do. you can't hide behind the history of & the culture of re-edits if you do a knob-head thing.

but there are no rules dictating an illegal release unless you wanna start getting tied up in copyright litigation or whatever. illegal releases are what they are for a reason! what im not understanding is why *this* is a knobhead move when EVERY SINGLE BELOVED FIGURE on this board has done bootleg re-edits in the past.

i'm not aware of any M.G or M.A. tunes that run a flimsy drumtrack under a well known song. however, i haven't heard their whole output so...

i mean, if you wanna sum this edit up as that, thats fine. but he rearranged it, added some drums, isn't that the entire premise of basically every edit ever? if youre gonna hate edits on principle, hate them all. if youre going to be okay with edits on principle, you have to be okay with all of them. there's absolutely no degrees of right or wrong inbetween those, only good vs bad.

you aren't suggesting house & hip hop are in a good place? both genres are largely big jokes with a comparatively small contingent of artists who trying to be real.

house and hiphop have had those values SINCE THEIR INCEPTION. it's just the way it is, people sample, people jack, people do whatever they need to do with whatever else is out there. again, you can judge the quality of it, but you cant condemn one person for sampling or editing but not another person. it just doesnt make sense.

i think you CAN say those things about house & hip hop unless you're talking about that truly talented contingent of artists who are in it for the love.

so people in it "for the love" don't sample and dont do bootleg edits? i dont buy that at all, thats complete nonsense.

you're just being argumentative pipe. how is not liking Theo P equal to not liking anyone who uses a sampler? the only line i saw Dubious draw was between Theo P's music & himself which isn't a "stupid" move in any form.

he said that he didnt like theo's stuff and that "a great deal of that has to do with the sampling". and i said that if he limited himself to only artists who never sample, he is missing the genius of those artists that do (such as theo, premier, pepe bradock, marley marl, dj shadow, masters at work, dj harvey, pete rock, the bomb squad, etc etc etc). if you just dont like one person's music, thats fine. but to not like it based on a principle such as disliking sampling, you better hold that principle to every artist or you just look retarded.

yes, intellectual property is a shit idea.

attention all lazy / shiftless assholes. please come use my hard work in any way you please! it's my fault for making a good product!

for better or for worse, the use and reappropriation of other songs and loops is one of the main reasons that house and hiphop were revolutionary. you could sit at your house and make music with a sampler, a drum machine, and a bunch of records. why hold maelstrom to some higher ethic that is not applied to other artists? is he worth less because you havent seen his name on flyers or magazines? todd terje is worshipped on here for his illegal edits that come out for his profit on the Supreme label. but maelstrom is a bad guy because he sampled metro area and not someone else? get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

[Brad V]

house and hiphop have had those values SINCE THEIR INCEPTION. it's just the way it is, people sample, people jack, people do whatever they need to do with whatever else is out there. again, you can judge the quality of it, but you cant condemn one person for sampling or editing but not another person. it just doesnt make sense.
The arguement could even be made that the reason hip hop is so lame right now is because sampling is either illegal and/or cost prohibitive. When hip hop producers could sample willy nilly, the output was much better.

[Casual*]

There might not be anything particularly ground-breaking being released but there are still loads of amazing, new records from all genres, be it jazz, funk, hip hop, house etc. that are worth emptying your wallet for each and every month. Hip Hop is dope at the moment, artists like Percee P, J. Period, Dudley Perkins, Guilty Simpson and a host of others are making incredible jams.

House is definitely not over, all you need to do is listen to some of the new Marcus Worgull records that are coming out or that amazing Arto Mwambe record from a few months ago or the I:Cube records that are coming out or the Still Going record or...I could go on and on and could do so for every genre from funk to jazz to hip hop. In my opinion music is in rude health at the moment.

Fuck taking it all too seriously, let's have fun and listen to music that puts smiles on our faces without getting too university challenge about it.

[Red Rack'em]

Fuck taking it all too seriously, let's have fun and listen to music that puts smiles on our faces without getting too university challenge about it.

Haha that's class - you can't get more university challenge than DJH!

Seriously though - I think you will find that the people who get pissed off about inappropriate (or not) use of samples are generally those involved in earning a living from music. Trying to pay the bills from record sales and DJ work isn't easy so I guess seeing your work with someone elses name on it must be grating.

I totally agree with what pipecock said about the duplicity of this issue - it's basically ok to re-edit if you're someone famous. But if you're not a respected DJH producer and you edit someone respected on the board - you are the devil incarnate.

I personally don't think Muira should have been touched - but I would say that about editing 'I want your love' by Chic and there's one floating about right now which is pretty good.

I do think this throws up a much bigger question which is - why is it ok for people we like to do things which we don't accept from people we don't know?

I don't agree with the Miura edit - because the OG is SUCH a dope tune. But in principle it's no different to editing up Jacko or Paul Simon (for example).

Is it?

Ps - just thinking about Miura brings back some serious memories - BIG tune!

[s_busby_uk]

I personally don't think Muira should have been touched

That's my main issue. The original is so dope, why would you *want* to touch it?

Yeah, I said dope...

[Red Rack'em]

yeah but what's the difference between miura and all the other dope tunes that have lost their artist title due to an hour on logic and a p+d with the distro and ultimately a dearth of original material?

[s_busby_uk]

yeah but what's the difference between miura and all the other dope tunes that have lost their artist title due to an hour on logic and a p+d with the distro and ultimately a dearth of original material?

Nothing. I'm just saying that at a basic level, this record didn't even need to be retouched. So why bother?

[Bandana Ferret]

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Congratulations s_busby-uk old bean!

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You have become the 5000th person on DJHistory to have asked "But, did it really need a re-edit?" ;)

We are pleased to offer you the special, star prize for this not-so-singular accomplishment -
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(just joshing pal, no offence intended)

[s_busby_uk]

(just joshing pal, no offence intended)

Haha ok ok so it was an obvious point. I'm a firm believer in the most obvious points being the most powerful ones though. Sometimes these things just need reiterating!

[Danny long legs]

Haha ok ok so it was an obvious point. I'm a firm believer in the most obvious points being the most powerful ones though. Sometimes these things just need reiterating!

Is re-iterating the same as re-editing?

[Red Rack'em]

depends if it's your own point or someone elses....

[machinesoul]

http://www.phsc.ca/HoP/balloons-Albuquerque.jpg

Congratulations s_busby-uk old bean!

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You have become the 5000th person on DJHistory to have asked "But, did it really need a re-edit?" ;)

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Come off it BF you know Isla didn't show..........Jimmy Kranky was no substitute at all.

[Bandana Ferret]

Come off it BF you know Isla didn't show..........Jimmy Kranky was no substitute at all.

You're gracious to have gone along with the date.

To be honest our only requirements in finding a replacement at such short notice was "Who is going to look particularly at odds with our gurning, bow legged, beanpole pal from the Midlands?" A dwarfed, female, Scottish schoolboy impersonator with Freudian-testing incest flirtation tendencies seemed to tick all the boxes at the time

[machinesoul]

You're gracious to have gone along with the date.

To be honest our only requirements in finding a replacement at such short notice was "Who is going to look particularly at odds with our gurning, bow legged, beanpole pal from the Midlands?" A dwarfed, female, Scottish schoolboy impersonator with Freudian-testing incest flirtation tendencies seemed to tick all the boxes at the time


I see your rationale, unfortunately Kranky is taller than me, still we both got half fare on the bus.

[Bandana Ferret]

Glad to hear it, and thank you for offering to take lil' Jimmy home with you at the end of, what sounds like, a long and pleasurable evening. Very considerate.
It's a fair old drive back to Kilmarnock, and couldn't have been an easy prospect at that time of night, with two feet of wooden blocks attached to your foot pedals.

[Rotter3*]

In the last 2 weeks I have seen Bandana Ferret denounce both House Music & Re-editing (audio collaging / sampling etc) as been devoid of artistic merit. Please could the Ferret describe what musical forms he feels still hold artistic value? Thanks, a curious observer.

[Bandana Ferret]

http://www.godhaven.org.uk/blogimages/krankies.jpg

That's a good one.

[Dubious]

honestly i think defending a practice because "that's how its always been done in the past" is NOT a valid argument. Are we actually in agreement that artists should be ripped off for their publishing? have their tunes bootleged? because "well that's how its always been?"

OBVIOUSLY the razor blade and the bootlegger have a relationship to club music... but we are talkign about a more NAIVE time and space... I doubt Kirvit made his slice and dice thinking it would be THE version people still played over 20 years later.

I don't want to get into a big argument about sampling.. i will say it had its time and it had its place.. masterpieces were created.. there is no doubt. but in my opinion its prety much had its day in the sun. Pete Rock, Premier... yes GENIUS shit. .i can remember listeing to the instro for Mass Appeal on repeat for HOURS back in the day..and its just hte same loop over and over!!

but honestly those artists mined it and its been DIMINISHING returns for them ever since (xtina hits excepted). Dilla was obviously a genius.. but i prefer his "alone at the triton with a big blunt and a drum machine" jams to ANYTHING like donuts (due to its creative circumstances im not going to critise it..but i found it unlistenable).

anyhow im rambling at this point.

re-edits.. i understand this is somethign near and dear to the disco tradition.. .there is no arguing its place in histroy, and its current place in the hearts and crates of many on this board. I've even attempted a few of my own in the past... But at the end of the day I do think they are taking away from the ORIGINAL music that is already havign a hard enough time getting exposure (they certainly ate up valuable time i should have bee nusing to work on MY own shit whenever I tried my hand at them).

It drove me BONKERS to see my own 12"s listed under "disco re-edits" at online stores when their were clearly NO samples at all in the record in question.. hell i even read reviews of one release where a dood was sample spotting on shit i had played myself.

but thats the culture we live in.. "if it sounds good it musta been jacked"

[slept in]

I'm sure I've read that before somewhere???

;)

[cash_or_exchange]

Will the real Maelstrom please stand up, please stand up....

If you were involved in the vinyl release please say so. If you were not then you should condemn it. On a small board like this I think it would be respectful...

[deepsoul3]

Will the real Maelstrom please stand up, please stand up....

If you were involved in the vinyl release please say so. If you were not then you should condemn it. On a small board like this I think it would be respectful...

If he did do it, then perhaps he’s spoken to Darshan personally to apologise/explain? It’s not really any of our business, and I suspect the poor lad feels rinsed out enough without everyone jumping on his back. Just my thoughts, anyway…

Live and let live chaps

Chris

[Rotter3*]

Why should he condemn it? If this is to be condemned then all edits should be condemned.

For right or wrong they are here they are part of the musical landscape and they won't go away.

Shall we condemn those pesky programmers at Digidesign, Apple and Sony and those Open-source dudes that have enabled people to do these dispicable acts of piracy so easily whilst we are at it?

Shall we condemn the people that blogged this edit, played it on their radio shows or in clubs or posted on forums about how good they thought it was?

Whilst, I thoroughly sympathise with Darshan I do feel that had he handled this matter privately rather than coming on the forum to vent his frustrations publicly then the whole thing would have died down quietly.

It seems from reading his post that he was equally angry about Maelstrom trying to "get over on the back of Miura" as for the principle.

A public venting of spleen has only served to draw more attention to the issue.

Whether or not Maelstrom was responsible I sincerely doubt that there are more than 500 copies of the edit in question in circulation at the absolute max which will only serve to promote interest in Metro Area and Environ in the long run.

Is imitation not the sincerest form of flattery?

[Dubious]

Whilst, I thoroughly sympathise with Darshan I do feel that had he handled this matter privately rather than coming on the forum to vent his frustrations publicly then the whole thing would have died down quietly.

why should it die quietly? im actually kinda surprised with the LACK of sympathy... not to mention no one has even mentioned the stores themselves who are listing the record.
maybe from the punters view edits and the ilk are a harmless novelty..but from the producer label perspective they are just YET another sketchy criminal eleement that has to be dealt wit hin an already sketchy bizniz.

[cash_or_exchange]

Sorry Rotter, I wasn't clear.

I meant it could very well be that someone who asked to be emailed a copy of his edit then bootlegged it and put his edit out, thus pissing off Maelstrom & Darshan - ie, it is his "edit" but not his vinyl. If you get what I mean?

So I meant if it wasn't him (Maelstrom) who put out the vinyl then he might be a bit angry himself.

Oh it's all very complicated. I don't dislike edits, or Maelstrom. It reminds me of the old Heavy Disco Beach Boys release. That was resolved behind closed doors and posts relating to it were deleted.

If Maelstrom himself has been bootlegged, it might be him more than Darshan that would be pissed off and condemn this particular release...

Too many coffees. Apologies. I'll go back to lurker mode.

[deepsoul3]

enough?

At this rate maelstrom wont be posting on here again.

Can we not leave it now? Please.

Chris

[Rotter3*]

why should it die quietly? im actually kinda surprised with the LACK of sympathy... not to mention no one has even mentioned the stores themselves who are listing the record.
maybe from the punters view edits and the ilk are a harmless novelty..but from the producer label perspective they are just YET another sketchy criminal eleement that has to be dealt wit hin an already sketchy bizniz.

I was simply saying that if I was in Darshan's shoes and I was pissed with someone for biting my tune I wouldn't diginfy the protoganist by publicly drawing more attention to the edit.

[cash_or_exchange]

It’s not really any of our business,


You might be right, but that's two edits released on vinyl that had previously only been commonly understood to be "for friends only" from one VERY small internet forum.

Shit.

I sent out (and yes, this is an old story) a few edits of Champ Boys Tubular Bells and then Supreme release it on vinyl claiming Terje made it. Though as I remember he denied making it - because he had a copy of my edit...

So that would sort of make three edits...

There might be a wider issue...

[And no, it is not whether edits are worthy, samplers are the shizzle or Theo is wack! The issue should be our forum itself is getting rinsed!

*Possibly




*Though I very much doubt it...








*Who would have the time or the inclination? I'm just a raving nutter.]

[djb]

Of course Darshan has the right to complain. It's sort of a red herring to bring up the ethics of sampling in this context.

It's pretty straightforward. Maelstrom didn't ask--or the bootlegger, if we give him the benefit of the doubt--MA if he could put it out, and did so anyhow. That's disrespectful and sleazy. That there is a long tradition of sampling in dance music and hip hop doesn't give him a free pass.

[TovinTobias]

isn 't part of Miura a sample from Stars on 45/ as per the skinny joe edit ?


a Miura fan

[soulfabulous]

Haha, sure Miura's really just Time Warp by Eddy Grant anyway* :)

A Miura fan

*denotes bad joke

[Phil Potter]

what im not understanding is why *this* is a knobhead move when EVERY SINGLE BELOVED FIGURE on this board has done bootleg re-edits in the past. .

it's a knobhead move because the original artist assumed, after talking with the re-editor, that the edit was for fun & creativity. then it gets put on vinyl for sale.


i mean, if you wanna sum this edit up as that, thats fine. but he rearranged it, added some drums, isn't that the entire premise of basically every edit ever? if youre gonna hate edits on principle, hate them all. if youre going to be okay with edits on principle, you have to be okay with all of them. there's absolutely no degrees of right or wrong inbetween those, only good vs bad.
.

you're changing your argument. you accused M.G. & D.J. of using samples in their past music, not making re-edits. so is the problem using samples or basically ripping a whole tune with a drum loop underneath? it's two different things. samples can be used in a much more creative & subversive way, where you barely even recognize the original source.


house and hiphop have had those values SINCE THEIR INCEPTION. it's just the way it is, people sample, people jack, people do whatever they need to do with whatever else is out there. again, you can judge the quality of it, but you cant condemn one person for sampling or editing but not another person. it just doesnt make sense. .

i feel like you keep bringing this up but you're just arguing with yourself. no one has disagreed about the history of sampling in dance music. what you have here is a very individual case where the original artist ( who is VERY much against ripping off other artists) was contacted about the edit & was under the impression it was just for kicks. then, he sees it pressed on vinyl for sale? WTF?



so people in it "for the love" don't sample and dont do bootleg edits? i dont buy that at all, thats complete nonsense. .

you are an expert at creating arguments that no one has made then shooting them down. all i said was the majority of house & hiphop is a big joke. i have yet to say i don't agree with sampling or that "real" artists don't do it.



he said that he didnt like theo's stuff and that "a great deal of that has to do with the sampling". and i said that if he limited himself to only artists who never sample, he is missing the genius of those artists that do (such as theo, premier, pepe bradock, marley marl, dj shadow, masters at work, dj harvey, pete rock, the bomb squad, etc etc etc). if you just dont like one person's music, thats fine. but to not like it based on a principle such as disliking sampling, you better hold that principle to every artist or you just look retarded. .

when did he say it was a principle? maybe he doesn't like the way Theo samples stuff? i don't like the way Theo samples stuff. it sounds like a muddy boring loop. none of that has anything to do with sampling in general.



for better or for worse, the use and reappropriation of other songs and loops is one of the main reasons that house and hiphop were revolutionary..

you said all that needs to be said right here: "for better or for worse". in some ways it's made better music, in some ways, it's helping kill the same music. just be able to admit that & not see it as some romantic history of swashbuckling "sample pirates" sticking it to the man. there are at least two sides to the issue. those getting ripped off creatively & those doing the ripping.

why hold maelstrom to some higher ethic that is not applied to other artists? ..

i don't criticize re-editing in general. i rarely buy re-edits but i'm pretty ambivalent about the subject. i'm criticizing this issue because of who is involved & how it went down. as has been stated, if it went down privately, i wouldn't have known & would have said nothing, just like i do with all the other mediocre re-edits i hear.


is he worth less because you havent seen his name on flyers or magazines? todd terje is worshipped on here for his illegal edits that come out for his profit on the Supreme label.but maelstrom is a bad guy because he sampled metro area and not someone else?but maelstrom is a bad guy because he sampled metro area and not someone else? get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.
is that how it works? i don't know. i've never heard anything on the Supreme label i liked enough to buy & don't own a Terje edit. i don't see anyone saying anything remotely like what you are inferring. you're arguing with yourself again. i agree: get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

[Bandana Ferret]

Squidgers.
















That is all.

[machinesoul]

Squidgers.


Good point
















That is all.

another good point.............this one could run and run.

On a more serious note if someone pressed up my edit of Chas and Dave-Rabbit, I wouldn't be particularly happy.

[Bandana Ferret]

On a more serious note if someone pressed up my edit of Chas and Dave-Rabbit, I wouldn't be particularly happy.

This is exactly why so many re-edits are put out as bootlegs.
Imagine trying to source who should get the royalties from that one.... Machineist, Chas, Dave, Dave's missus or the rabbit. Nightmare.

[Brad V]

no one has disagreed about the history of sampling in dance music. what you have here is a very individual case where the original artist ( who is VERY much against ripping off other artists) was contacted about the edit & was under the impression it was just for kicks. then, he sees it pressed on vinyl for sale? WTF?
It's seems like this is kind of the crux of the argument. Asking, being rejected, and then it coming out. I think if anyone who has ever done an edit asked the original artist if they could release it, 99% of them would have said "hell no" (you could include sampling in this too). But most artists who get re-edited are likely to never hear the re-edit of there song, since a great many of them are: too old, dead, or not likely to hang out on dance music forums, or be one of the rare hip beardo types hanging out in the clubs that get maybe a few hundred people on a good night. This is a case of someone being sampled who's part of the same (small) global community.

Maybe this is a case of that saying about shitting and eating at the same place.

[Hairy Claw]

Hell bells

I'm with Darshan on this one

1.It didn't need doing

2.Darshan did say share and play it in the community but don't sell

3.So many people seem to have this edit what's the point of pressing for Vinyl ?

..What the fuck is this?

Solid State, what happened to your question (originally posted above) about whether this was done with or without Maelsrom's approval/knowedge? That's definitely what *I* (and I'm sure others) would like to know. Why did you erase your query?

And Maelstrom, I thought we were clear that this was to be an edit for personal use and sharing, not for sale.

Judging by the way you've since been so eager to get over on the back of Miura, I suppose I should'nt have expected anything less. Nice one, and I'm really looking forward to the next one in your series, now that you've undoubtedly been inspired by the response to this; though you can rest assured it has absolutely nothing to do with you or your "work". Anything else you feel like you can enhance with a lame drum track? You are a shameless tool and you need to leave the making of records to people who have something original to contribute.

In case you hadn't noticed, the business of selling recorded music is in serious flux and we are taking hits left, right and center. Now would be the time to treat copyright-holders and authors of intellectual property with respect, proper licensing protocol and kid-fucking-gloves, not to bootleg and re-sell their shit to boost your own profile. Thanks a lot, asshole!

And by the way, I hadn't listened to your edit until now, so when I replied to you on MySpace I gave my approval in the abstract, based solely on the principle that you're free to do what you want as long as you don't re-sell our work, not because I heard what you did and liked it. Thanks a lot for honoring that!

Thanks again man, take it easy.

[poor_impulse_control]

This is ace for us bystanders, forum mystery....where is Maelstrom? who put the edit out? People stirring, people distancing themselves from the re-edit culture. Allow it!

[kevvy-k]

This is ace for us bystanders, forum mystery....where is Maelstrom? who put the edit out? People stirring, people distancing themselves from the re-edit culture. Allow it!

I know! I really want all the gorey details about the Beach Boys edit that was alluded to, too.

[kevvy-k]

... but like someone mentioned before, I would hate to see Maelstrom feeling hounded out by such a storm in a teacup. I've always really enjoyed his input. Maybe everyone learns lessons and moves on? Everyone still has all their limbs (pardon my ablist presumptions) - climate change, the imminent invasion of Iran, dead Burmese monks etc etc for a little perspective?

[ivan_smackhead]

2.Darshan did say share and play it in the community but don't sell.

what the heck did he expect was going to happen ?
3 or 4 people would d/l and that would be it ?

there must be thousands of people who've got this at 192/320 kps already,
so i don't see the point of complaining about the vinyl.

i would also bet that everyone who d/l it has got an original 12" anyway.
it's one of the best house tracks of the last 10 years.

at the end of the day at least it's someone who loves the track putting out an edit and not fucking it up. if it was me i'd be more annoyed that some dj i didn't rate was charting my music than some home producer was making edits with care of my stuff.

i'm not the world's best trainspotter but isn't "dance reaction" made up of sampled/replayed boogie tune stuff ?

[pipecock]

it's a knobhead move because the original artist assumed, after talking with the re-editor, that the edit was for fun & creativity. then it gets put on vinyl for sale.

but what artist is going to agree to allow someone to put out a bootleg re-edit? thats the entire point of them, you just do it and put it out there and if people like what you did, they buy it. its not the same as straight up bootlegging an original track that is still in print. there is new artistic content, the market decides if it was successful or not.

you're changing your argument. you accused M.G. & D.J. of using samples in their past music, not making re-edits. so is the problem using samples or basically ripping a whole tune with a drum loop underneath? it's two different things. samples can be used in a much more creative & subversive way, where you barely even recognize the original source.

but legally, its not any different. artists have whined about being sampled illegally, too. all this whining is fucking obnoxious.

i feel like you keep bringing this up but you're just arguing with yourself. no one has disagreed about the history of sampling in dance music. what you have here is a very individual case where the original artist ( who is VERY much against ripping off other artists) was contacted about the edit & was under the impression it was just for kicks. then, he sees it pressed on vinyl for sale? WTF?

but if everyone is accepting of sampling and editing in dance culture, then what is the problem here? there should be no problem.

you are an expert at creating arguments that no one has made then shooting them down. all i said was the majority of house & hiphop is a big joke. i have yet to say i don't agree with sampling or that "real" artists don't do it.

so then what is the problem here? the guy did exactly what X number of artists have done before: taken something illegally, added his artistic input to it, and put it out. why isnt everyone up in arms at every release that takes someone else's stuff illegally?

its all about this arbitrary line being drawn here. if you accept *ANY* illegal usage of someone else's music in samples and edits, you accept ALL of it. end of story.

when did he say it was a principle? maybe he doesn't like the way Theo samples stuff? i don't like the way Theo samples stuff. it sounds like a muddy boring loop. none of that has anything to do with sampling in general.

well then he should write more clearly!

you said all that needs to be said right here: "for better or for worse". in some ways it's made better music, in some ways, it's helping kill the same music. just be able to admit that & not see it as some romantic history of swashbuckling "sample pirates" sticking it to the man. there are at least two sides to the issue. those getting ripped off creatively & those doing the ripping.

its not a romantic history. its the facts.

is that how it works? i don't know. i've never heard anything on the Supreme label i liked enough to buy & don't own a Terje edit. i don't see anyone saying anything remotely like what you are inferring. you're arguing with yourself again. i agree: get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

so youre one of 3 people on here without your head up terje's arse for his edits. good for you. but i dont see you standing up for the artists' rights of the people he has edited. just metro area because they happen to be on here to see you argue. i love metro area, but im not gonna agree with someone if their beliefs are wrong. and in this case, they are. and the response to maelstrom was snotty and whiny, in addition to being wrong.

[pipecock]

I do think this throws up a much bigger question which is - why is it ok for people we like to do things which we don't accept from people we don't know?

this is exactly my point. its either all fair game or none of it is.

honestly i think defending a practice because "that's how its always been done in the past" is NOT a valid argument. Are we actually in agreement that artists should be ripped off for their publishing? have their tunes bootleged? because "well that's how its always been?"

bootlegging involves no artistic input. an illegal re-edit does involve artistic input, much like sampling. anyway, its not the fact that its always been done, its the fact that it is one of the most important pieces of the puzzle that makes dance music. how can you listen to a ron hardy edit and not hear where house music came from? it's all right there.

OBVIOUSLY the razor blade and the bootlegger have a relationship to club music... but we are talkign about a more NAIVE time and space... I doubt Kirvit made his slice and dice thinking it would be THE version people still played over 20 years later.

naive?!! putting edits out on vinyl is about getting paid. that was the case then, its the case now.

I don't want to get into a big argument about sampling.. i will say it had its time and it had its place.. masterpieces were created.. there is no doubt. but in my opinion its prety much had its day in the sun. Pete Rock, Premier... yes GENIUS shit. .i can remember listeing to the instro for Mass Appeal on repeat for HOURS back in the day..and its just hte same loop over and over!!

but honestly those artists mined it and its been DIMINISHING returns for them ever since (xtina hits excepted). Dilla was obviously a genius.. but i prefer his "alone at the triton with a big blunt and a drum machine" jams to ANYTHING like donuts (due to its creative circumstances im not going to critise it..but i found it unlistenable).

wow, i cant disagree with you any more about donuts. i love all dilla's styles, but donuts is as classic of a record in any genre as has been released in the last 10 years. and i dont think there are diminishing returns, i think people are being restricted in their sample usage because of people getting sued and thus record labels forcing people to clear things which drains budgets (who wants to pay premo or pete rock then pay songwriting royalties to whomever they sampled when theyre already getting ripped off by the record labels?). a return to the more underground roots would definitely be better for hiphop. rapping may be trash now, but there are many good producers who sample things that are around right now.

re-edits.. i understand this is somethign near and dear to the disco tradition.. .there is no arguing its place in histroy, and its current place in the hearts and crates of many on this board. I've even attempted a few of my own in the past... But at the end of the day I do think they are taking away from the ORIGINAL music that is already havign a hard enough time getting exposure (they certainly ate up valuable time i should have bee nusing to work on MY own shit whenever I tried my hand at them).

house music and hiphop music were revolutionary largely because they put the musical control in the hands of non-musicians (quite often deejays whose job it was to know all these crazy ill records to sample and edit!). if i wanted to listen purely to ORIGINAL music, i wouldnt worry about dance music at all. but i dont care if something is original or not, i care if it sounds like it makes me wanna freak out.

Why should he condemn it? If this is to be condemned then all edits should be condemned.

Shall we condemn those pesky programmers at Digidesign, Apple and Sony and those Open-source dudes that have enabled people to do these dispicable acts of piracy so easily whilst we are at it?

Shall we condemn the people that blogged this edit, played it on their radio shows or in clubs or posted on forums about how good they thought it was?

amen.

[Phil Potter]

but what artist is going to agree to allow someone to put out a bootleg re-edit? thats the entire point of them, you just do it and put it out there and if people like what you did,.. .

yes, & if you can be considered an asshole for the way you did it, you will be considered so. no big deal. back to my original point.


but legally, its not any different. artists have whined about being sampled illegally, too. all this whining is fucking obnoxious. .

oh now we're on to legal definitions. sorry, that's not what i'm discussing


so then what is the problem here? the guy did exactly what X number of artists have done before: taken something illegally, added his artistic input to it, and put it out. why isnt everyone up in arms at every release that takes someone else's stuff illegally? .

does everybody contact the original artist first then slap them in the face? that's the only problem i've raised here.


its all about this arbitrary line being drawn here. if you accept *ANY* illegal usage of someone else's music in samples and edits, you accept ALL of it. end of story. .

you keep talking about whether it's ok to do it and arguing with yourself about it. i'm talking about HOW you do it. is how you do things is of no import to you? if you go around fucking people over, especially to their face, there will be consequences. have you not learned that in life yet?




its not a romantic history. its the facts. .

right. the facts exist for both sides. people have been ripping off & people have been getting ripped off from the get go. all i've said is acknowledge both sides.



so youre one of 3 people on here without your head up terje's arse for his edits. good for you..

thanks for insulting the entire forum. you're a credit to the US.


but i dont see you standing up for the artists' rights of the people he has edited. just metro area because they happen to be on here to see you argue. .

yes. you hit the nail on the head. i'm hoping Metro Area will see my fervent and passioned deliberation on their behalf and sign me on as "P.R./ internet forum watchdog" for Environ. oh please God make it happen!!


right. this is my last post on the subject. i can see you are desperate to be right and don't care what i'm saying. i'm not going to be your sounding board, i'm sure the few people who put up with you in real life are more adept & willing. i've clearly stated several times why i feel how i feel about this specific incident. others can see it too. you don't want to or can't so we'll leave it where it lies.

[Pavel Plastikk]

I'm on Darshan's side

[Mock]

i love metro area, but im not gonna agree with someone if their beliefs are wrong. and in this case, they are. and the response to maelstrom was snotty and whiny, in addition to being wrong.

who is this guy?

[chris keyz]

who is this guy?

firestarter! ;)

[pipecock]

who is this guy?

im joe fucking blow

[Marius Circus]

I'm on Darshan's side

And I'm bored. Think I need to get a life, so I don't have to read through 11 pages of what is basicly a fist fight, just to make the time pass... :sleep2:

/M

[Brad V]

And I'm bored. Think I need to get a life, so I don't have to read through 11 pages of what is basicly a fist fight, just to make the time pass... :sleep2:

/MYou probably get enough of that in your day job huh? :-D

[Marius Circus]

Yup, but at least I get paid for that! ;)

[s_busby_uk]

This has been one of those "tune in next time" threads where each post is like a cliffhanger. Great stuff...

[fiscus]

well...i am on no ones side yet...

but isn´t it a fact...that miura´s drums come from this thing...stars on 45...?

[mjw666]

recording is, by its very nature, a redundant process

lol

seems like the technology is making that part of it much more apparent as of late, eh?

:)

[erd]

This is a joke!

[suenomartino]

http://users.tpg.com.au/adsl5sc0//juliuscaesar2.jpg

[pipecock]

http://users.tpg.com.au/adsl5sc0//juliuscaesar2.jpg

hahahahahaha

[Phil Potter]

best post EVER! :-D

[Matt Giddy Fruit]

A most fitting full stop. Maybe.

[chris keyz]

genius

[the mighty asok]

Ive been following this post since it all kicked off the other day. Would I be correct in assuming that Maelstrom, who is usually a frequent visitor to these boards, has not been back here since this all happened and has not explained or apologised or anything?

I do hope there is a good reason for that other than he is a big chicken.

[Rotter3*]

http://users.tpg.com.au/adsl5sc0//juliuscaesar2.jpg

i salute you - absolute genius. post of the ever!

[mike p]

i salute you - absolute genius. post of the ever!

inspired.

It took me a minute to work out why they had bedsheets on.

[Ceol]

it took the edge off my day hahaha

[mr black]

I personally don't think Muira should have been touched - but I would say that about editing 'I want your love' by Chic and there's one floating about right now which is pretty good.


linky pls :-D

[ivan_smackhead]

check your pm's. ;)

[chris keyz]

ok someone fill me in - what chic edit is that???

[BlackBelt]

I think it's the one Terje did earlier this year.

[Seamus O'Glesias]

It's "I Want Your Love" done in a "I Can't Kick This Feeling When It Hits"-stylee.

I'm a big fan.

[mr black]

check your pm's. ;)

legend.

[lurkster]

And I'm sure its impact will be felt right across the, erm, djh forum ;)

[iamrobd]

You poor bugger suenomartino, looks like you work for the BBC judging from the location of your photostory.

[simonthisisnotanexit]

It's "I Want Your Love" done in a "I Can't Kick This Feeling When It Hits"-stylee.

I'm a big fan.

This sounds tasty.

[suenomartino]

You poor bugger suenomartino, looks like you work for the BBC judging from the location of your photostory.
It is in fact a stolen BBC photostory re-edited ;)

[melodycrochet]

house music and hiphop music were revolutionary largely because they put the musical control in the hands of non-musicians (quite often deejays whose job it was to know all these crazy ill records to sample and edit!). if i wanted to listen purely to ORIGINAL music, i wouldnt worry about dance music at all. but i dont care if something is original or not, i care if it sounds like it makes me wanna freak out.

amen.

word

[shlomo]

errrr....can anyone repost the edit? just want to see what all the fuss is about :)

[fomo]

errrr....can anyone repost the edit? just want to see what all the fuss is about :)

what and cause another 12 pages of mayhem. ahemm

check myspace

here (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=204515540)

[shlomo]

damn it...that's my cowbell he's using.

[Funkoff]

guys lets talk about this UNNECESSARY version of Miura :

http://www.savefile.com/files/919751

:wtf:

[chris keyz]

Unnecessary never stopped anyone & sometimes the results seem rather worthy - the chic/todd edit for example - it's a good one...

has anyone on the board bought the bootleg???

[Tomo]

has anyone on the board bought the bootleg???

nearly picked it up from phonica on sat but didnt have the cash on me. Didnt realise the trouble its caused until I read this thread.

[Phil Potter]

from Maelstrom's myspace:

"You may/may not have heard my little Metro Area edit (it's in my player) that's caused a little bit of commotion...

The amount of messages from DJs has been overwhelming too with the likes of James Murphy (LCD Soundsystem), Prins Thomas, Lindstrom, Tim Sweeney ... I even got a nice message from Darshan Jesrani!"

:)

[Hairy Claw]

from Maelstrom's myspace:

"You may/may not have heard my little Metro Area edit (it's in my player) that's caused a little bit of commotion...

The amount of messages from DJs has been overwhelming too with the likes of James Murphy (LCD Soundsystem), Prins Thomas, Lindstrom, Tim Sweeney ... I even got a nice message from Darshan Jesrani!"

:)

Ha ha sorry but that's funny considering.. where is Maelstrom ?

The thing about this whole saga is maybe if Maelstrom had listened to Darshan (who i must say is a top top guy) and not booted it, you never know maybe a few years down the line when Environ want to re release some stuff
they might have done a official release? especially if so many people where behind it. just a thought! anyway i won't mention anymore about it

but i must also say it's been a hot debate ! Not felt like this since Dallas was on the box. or was that Falcon Crest? anyway nuff said

[sangiovese]

just a guess.. maelstrom is on hawaii ...having a good time. girls, drinks, and they play his edit on heavy rotation there...so he can tell every girl : i'v done it! be my catch of the day! again....: just a guess......

[Brad V]

Ha ha sorry but that's funny considering.. where is Maelstrom ?

The thing about this whole saga is maybe if Maelstrom had listened to Darshan (who i must say is a top top guy) and not booted it, you never know maybe a few years down the line when Environ want to re release some stuff
they might have done a official release? especially if so many people where behind it. just a thought! anyway i won't mention anymore about it

but i must also say it's been a hot debate ! Not felt like this since Dallas was on the box. or was that Falcon Crest? anyway nuff saidOr they could do a Carl Craig/Radioslave. They could release his edit on their own, and not pay him. X-press 2, I think, did this also to someone who'd done a boot remix of Muzik Express.

[Casual*]

X-press 2, I think, did this also to someone who'd done a boot remix of Muzik Express.

That was Nic Fanciulli's bootleg and they did so with his backing.

[melodycrochet]

from Maelstrom's myspace:

"You may/may not have heard my little Metro Area edit (it's in my player) that's caused a little bit of commotion...

The amount of messages from DJs has been overwhelming too with the likes of James Murphy (LCD Soundsystem), Prins Thomas, Lindstrom, Tim Sweeney ... I even got a nice message from Darshan Jesrani!"

:)

Yeah that's just plain rude.

[Marius Circus]

Yeah that's just plain rude.

No it isn't, since it was posted way before this thread started.

/M

[Rotter3*]

‘He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone’, John 8. 7. ...

[Pavel Plastikk]

I guess Maelstrom goes lurk
minus 1

[Rotter3*]

We'll see how deep underground you go when Michael Jackson comes looking for you, eh, Pavel? ;)

[Marius Circus]

This thread is really starting to make me feel nauseous. Worst example of double standards I've seen in a very long while.

/M

[Pavel Plastikk]

We'll see how deep underground you go when Michael Jackson comes looking for you, eh, Pavel? ;)

hehehe
I won't release it :p

[bj duck]

Firstly, I have two VERY important unanswered questions regarding proper edit culture, this thread and the unwritten rules followed that lead to qualification: 1) Is this even an 'edit'? 2) Does Maelstrom even HAVE a beard??

Anyways, as I've said for many, many years (and in my fancy signature down below) "copyright infringement is your best entertainment dollar!!" Indeed. That said, I raise my cup high solely to the original..!!!! As this 'edit' failed to hit the mark for me. Any mark in fact..

Ok, on that note, I need rent money for November. I'm gonna press up this 'edit' I did of the JFA remix of "Frontline 242 Assembly " by Captain Lips. Then, I'll title it by Maelstrom cuz he's so shit-hot this week; who wants in??

[fomo]

making a slow but steady impact there fella;)

xxx

(when is mael gonna pick up the pieces, hmmmmmmmmmm)

[Espen]

As i`m new to the thread, pls bare with me. It seems to be a bad idea to press/release/sell an edit, even if you`ve got a go from those who did the original,to do the edit and then share it. If he has done that, without checking with Metro Area, it`s obviously a wrong thing to do. Are there any dispute about that?

[deepsoul3]

this thread, is dead. yawwwwwwwwwn

move on people, nothing left to see here etc...

Chris

[Pavel Plastikk]

2) Does Maelstrom even HAVE a beard??


actually it's essential question

[cash_or_exchange]

this thread, is dead. yawwwwwwwwwn

move on people, nothing left to see here etc...

Chris

I don't get you with this comment Chris...

[Phil Potter]

began in June and this is now the 8th most viewed thread on the entire forum. 16k views & climbing.

dead? nah, i'd say more like sleeping with the possibility of waking up with terrible hangover...:cool:

[shlomo]

from Maelstrom's myspace:

"You may/may not have heard my little Metro Area edit (it's in my player) that's caused a little bit of commotion...

The amount of messages from DJs has been overwhelming too with the likes of James Murphy (LCD Soundsystem), Prins Thomas, Lindstrom, Tim Sweeney ... I even got a nice message from Darshan Jesrani!"

:)

This comment was edited out of Maelstrom's myspace sometime yesterday, suggesting that perhaps your man is aware of this teapot tempest.

16k views. The tension is immense...

[simonthisisnotanexit]

Will Maelstrom ever return? The world sits and waits.

[Phil Potter]

...The tension is immense...


356

[Brad V]

This thread really has seen some top-notch photoshop work. Cheers to Suenomartino & Phil.

Re-editing is so over, it's all about photoshop skills in '08.

[antonio_pt]

This thread really has seen some top-notch photoshop work. Cheers to Suenomartino & Phil.

Re-editing is so over, it's all about photoshop skills in '08.

roftlol!

[Count Cookula]

Or they could do a Carl Craig/Radioslave. They could release his edit on their own, and not pay him. X-press 2, I think, did this also to someone who'd done a boot remix of Muzik Express.

Or an Ashley Beadle/Heavy Disco/Beach Boys half inched, unpaid, uncredited edit...

:deadhorse

Yawn

[Brad V]

Or an Ashley Beadle/Heavy Disco/Beach Boys half inched, unpaid, uncredited edit...

:deadhorse

YawnWell, that's kind of the opposite. I was talking about someone who owns the rights reclaiming the bootleg and legitimately issuing it.

[baleariksoul]

Does Maelstrom even HAVE a beard??


Of course he bloody does.

[Count Cookula]

Well, that's kind of the opposite. I was talking about someone who owns the rights reclaiming the bootleg and legitimately issuing it.

Oh, OK I get ya but it's good for me to vent every once in a while, that's what the therapist says anyway

[Brad V]

Oh, OK I get ya but it's good for me to vent every once in a while, that's what the therapist says anywayMaybe we should get you one of these:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f89/jazzy1453/MuslinVoodooDoll-2.jpg

You could put the appropriate sneakers and t-shirt on as you see fit.

[baleariksoul]

Maybe we should get you one of these:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f89/jazzy1453/MuslinVoodooDoll-2.jpg

You could put the appropriate sneakers and t-shirt on as you see fit.

I'll give CC some extra pins!

[Count Cookula]

Nah, I'm not that vindictive, people got their own problems without me putting the Hoodoo on 'em

[baleariksoul]

Nah, I'm not that vindictive, people got their own problems without me putting the Hoodoo on 'em

"disco karma"

[melodycrochet]

This thread really has seen some top-notch photoshop work. Cheers to Suenomartino & Phil.

Re-editing is so over, it's all about photoshop skills in '08.

Anyone ever read Brian Eno's book A Year? It's a diary and he talks a lot about how he likes to while away the hours enlarging women's asses in photoshop. He also is pretty obsessed with oyster sauce. A good read.

[melodycrochet]

This thread is really starting to make me feel nauseous. Worst example of double standards I've seen in a very long while.

/M

I'm totally with pipecock on this on the validity of making edits and even bootlegs in principle (particularly give they are part of the history & culture of dance music) but like defending free speech, sometimes you have to defend speech you don't agree with (hate speech etc.)

So while I don't think this is about copyright and so-called intellectual property (or some people being the people who *should* make music over others), I still think it was bad manners to act as if there was some sort of support from Darshan when he had explicitly said no. Good to hear he's taken this faux endorsment down.

[chris keyz]

when i asked if anyone on the board had bought it - my curiosity really is based on that ol idea that any publicity is good publicity, i guess its hard to say, since i think, atleast in the case of djh, most people here really do carefully consider what they're buying, ofcourse if this particular 'scandal' made it to the music press, they'd be selling them on e-bay by now, it may still happen i guess...

[ttauri]

when i asked if anyone on the board had bought it

I'm not a mail-order fellow, so I reckon I won't get the chance, but I'd buy it if I saw it in the wrecka stow. I also bought the Caught Up/Finally mash-up when that came out, so that would make me a repeat offender against them.

Peece,
T. Tauri

[Count Cookula]

Anyone ever read Brian Eno's book A Year? It's a diary and he talks a lot about how he likes to while away the hours enlarging women's asses in photoshop. He also is pretty obsessed with oyster sauce. A good read.

Seconded, very entertaining read, also perfect toilet entertainment if you don't want to read it like a regular book

[ivan_smackhead]

very entertaining if you don't want to read it like a regular book

upside down, backwards, using a mirror ?
explain yourself.

[slim]

with apologies in advance for thread ressurection, my gakfoundation brother rupi played it in the dex on friday having bought it & having missed all the fuss.
prins thomas has also been dropping it (recent resident advisor podcast)
you still playing this out bill?
i think maelstrom should come back (can't see it now - shame) and drop some more edits on us :-D

[machinesoul]

with apologies in advance for thread ressurection, my gakfoundation brother rupi played it in the dex on friday having bought it & having missed all the fuss.
prins thomas has also been dropping it (recent resident advisor podcast)
you still playing this out bill?
i think maelstrom should come back (can't see it now - shame) and drop some more edits on us :-D


So do I, too much beardy witch burning for my liking.

[cash_or_exchange]

So do I, too much beardy witch burning for my liking.

Where? The only person who had a direct go was the only other person involved. Everyone else was just talking about the subject, but not slagging Maelstrom.
He didn't have to leave. It would have been over in an afternoon if he stuck around.

Ah nevermind.

[chris keyz]

personally, id like to see him back...

[Phil Potter]

personally, id like to see him back...

so you can eat him?

(sorry, the comment with the avatar was just creepy)

[chris keyz]

ha ha ha ha ha ha - didnt see that coming

[fabiofal]

all this fuss makes him looks like a prodigal son... c'mon, drop the deal and welcome back our mate. if it's not for darshan's rant, all this would never get so high. i just want to put out the fire and see maelstrom surfing again these waves.
And bear in mind those "Posting rules" at the lower-left corner: you may edit your posts, ONLY POSTS! :-D

[donniedarko]

http://www.slamevents.com/speak/showthread.html?t=67341&page=105 (Scroll down about halfway)

[honeyk]

pathetic :)

[cash_or_exchange]

Still bigging himself up then, so obviously no harm done from this thread. Good to see.

[fabiofal]

http://www.slamevents.com/speak/showthread.html?t=67341&page=105 (Scroll down about halfway)

oh, shit, didn't catch it... :rolleyes:

[machinesoul]

Still bigging himself up then, so obviously no harm done from this thread. Good to see.



You say no harm done Jez, he's now posting on the Slam board, got to be a bit of a comedown after this one surely? :)

[The Velvet Fog]

This is like judge judy and executioner

[honeyk]

Boasting his own stuff, which actually aint is "own" stuff at all, is definitely not a characteristic i seek in people :)

[cash_or_exchange]

Boasting his own stuff, which actually aint is "own" stuff at all, is definitely not a characteristic i seek in people :)

I've got to agree with this a little. Looking back at the beginning of this thread, he was very keen to accept the praise, but not to accept or respond to criticism.

Whether the edit is good or not is irrelevant. It was the whole don't shit where you eat angle that I was responding to with my posts.

I know the fella is supposed to be young, but it's just man stuff. You f*cked up, apologise, move on. You didn't f*ck up, say so, and move on.



Having said all that I'm glad I don't have to look at Gordon Brown's ugly mug on a music board anymore though!!

:)

@ Machinesoul: who or what is Slam? I'll have to investigate. I only know DHP/Faith/Brownswood/Electriks...

[cash_or_exchange]

@ Machinesoul: who or what is Slam? I'll have to investigate. I only know DHP/Faith/Brownswood/Electriks...

Okay, investigation closed.

At 14.32 Hrs in the thread "No offence but - DISCO?????????" the following comments were observed:

Some disco is SAVAGE!!

Ye`ll enjoy a lot when yer NUTTED!!

Mid haein` a jig tyme tae Maddonas "Borderline" in a club yin time, and a lot ay the 80s Electropop is crackin` whilst gettin` a serious "groove down"http://www.slamevents.com/speak/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif http://www.slamevents.com/speak/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top D Productions http://www.slamevents.com/speak/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.slamevents.com/speak/showthread.html?p=1449362#post1449362)
DISCO IS GOD.

disagree
__________________

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Case closed

[sundayjam]

Okay, investigation closed.

At 14.32 Hrs in the thread "No offence but - DISCO?????????" the following comments were observed:

Some disco is SAVAGE!!

Ye`ll enjoy a lot when yer NUTTED!!

Mid haein` a jig tyme tae Maddonas "Borderline" in a club yin time, and a lot ay the 80s Electropop is crackin` whilst gettin` a serious "groove down"http://www.slamevents.com/speak/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif http://www.slamevents.com/speak/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top D Productions http://www.slamevents.com/speak/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.slamevents.com/speak/showthread.html?p=1449362#post1449362)
DISCO IS GOD.

disagree
__________________

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Case closed


It would appear that this is a rare strain of dialect from the Glasgow area - usually uttered by some sort of ned, or bam(I’m not sure what they are called in London! ‘Nutted’ is a particular favourite! - ahhh it's good to hear from home!

[Maelstrom]

I can't believe this is still raging on...

Ok, so a couple of months ago I did a little edit of Metro Area's 'Miura'. The very first thing I did was to send a copy to Darshan and Morgan via their personal myspace to which Darshan replied some six weeks later explaining that I was free to distribute the track as long as it was not for profit. Now, about eight weeks ago I had a small number pressed and I pretty much sent copies to anyone who's anyone because, as well as the blogs were promoting it, I felt that vinyl was still pretty much the way forward for 'getting my name out there'. Fickle yes, I admit that, but I have a couple of other releases in the pipeline. There were some extra copies and they did make their way into the public domain but I stress that, given the amount of copies given away for gratis, there was always going to be zero scope for any profit as it was never my intention in the first place.

The last couple of weeks have been pretty stressful and I've really struggled to convey my thoughts hence my lack of communication on the board. I've had conflicting advice left, right and centre with certain parties only really interested in a soap opera climax. I wanted to make sure that if/when I replied that it would be on my terms with my own thoughts and feelings.

I'm not even sure why I'm posting this on DJH as Darshan's message a few pages earlier has been the final word from his camp and this all serves to dampen curiousity. Despite the speculation, brown-nosing and holier-than-thou musings, there seems to be a great deal made out of what is essentially just an edit and I'm surprised that so many felt the need to drag it out so publicly given that we're all adults. I'm not here to spark another discussion on edits as, well, it's an age-old debate on DJH and the thread's long enough but whatever your feelings are I'm sure Darshan, Morgan, Metro Area, Environ and, indeed, the whole disco movement will be around for an eternity after the edit has been long since forgotten.

I must also stress that if I were so keen to 'ride off the back of it' then I'd have had some full colour CMYK labels pressed, a mobile number and an email address to get some credit. I always wanted the remaining 12"s to be as low-key as possible but, after this thread, it was always going to be impossible as it was linked as soon as they hit the stores.

In summary, I'd like to apologise to Darshan and Morgan for pressing the record in the first place. It was my first ever pressing and I was overly eager to possess a physical representation of something I had done but I never set out to shaft anyone let alone an act who I greatly admire. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If only we could put it into practice...

Needless to say life goes on for everyone. I don't expect this to be the last post on this thread or the last time it's mentioned but I'm sure that Metro Area (new Baby Oliver on Environ with #7 on the way ;) ) and, indeed, all of you have bigger fish to fry. At least I'd certainly hope so.

Regards,

Paul

PS Incidentally. the post on the Slam board was my first public acknowledgement of the edit being pressed. It's a local Glaswegian board and a lot of my friends post there. Sorry, but I'm just delighted that the Major digs it.

[mike p]

<pulls up chair>

[duncan diablo]

have i missed something ?

can an independant character please summise the previous 19 pages please ?

[mike p]

beard makes edit. says won't release. then releases. some beards tut. some don't. editor vanishes. editor returns.

kapische?

[jitterbug]

have i missed something ?

can an independant character please summise the previous 19 pages please ?

man does edit. people generally seem to like it. man has message from jesrani, saying he's 'ok' with it, but not to sell it. man presses vinyl. jesrani gets the hump. people gang up on editor. editor goes to ground, leaving debate to rage (imo in a VERY hypocritical manner by many who posted). editor returns, explaining himself and admitting mistake. the forum awaits with baited breath the return of mr. jesrani.

[jitterbug]

beard makes edit. says won't release. then releases. some beards tut. some don't. editor vanishes. editor returns.

kapische?

i like mine better.
more drama.

[cash_or_exchange]

Props for speaking up. (Still not feeling the avatar though :) )

[mummyshortarms]

i'm glad maelstrom's back. have missed his input.

[Maelstrom]

Still not feeling the avatar thought :)

I actually forgot I had it. Will change now...

[Risky Disco Dancer]

well said, Paul

:-D

Olly

[mike p]

I demand a photo-story covering this exciting development -
"The resurrection of the sacrificial lamb". That sort of thing. With togas.

[cash_or_exchange]

I actually forgot I had it. Will change now...

hee-hee sorry mate :) You missed the 'posh cunt' thread, seems I am a posh cunt, so you can understand I'm sure :)

Nice avatar :-D

[Jolyon]

http://www.bjsmusic.com/enoughpic.jpg

[jackamoto]

WB Paul.

[cash_or_exchange]

http://www.bjsmusic.com/enoughpic.jpg

I bought that record. It was shocking!

[fabiofal]

so, can we put the words "the end" to this and get along? ;) I'v got to plant garlic tonight and I need to be in peace, ha ha!
wb, maelstrom.

[JAZ]

Welcome back, Maelstrom! :)

[chris keyz]

welcome back Maelstrom

[Marius Circus]

Good to see you're back, matey! :bighug:

(but where the hell is my vinyl copy...) He,he,he! ;)

/M

[baleariksoul]

Ha!

Thoughtful and well put post Paul - welcome back...

:-D

[Hairy Claw]

Fairplay Maelstrom your honest account makes me feel great about this forum, not sure about the brown nosing comments, as I was one that wore my heart on my sleeve and said it was wrong. I am certainly no brown nose to any fucker. But I am really glad you came back and said this cause it proves it wasn't a money thing like pipecock said "edits are all about getting paid"
Which is bullshit....

Now let’s all have a group hug and put this behind us, and start talking about New productions, porno disco sleeves, beards and what not.




I can't believe this is still raging on...

Ok, so a couple of months ago I did a little edit of Metro Area's 'Miura'. The very first thing I did was to send a copy to Darshan and Morgan via their personal myspace to which Darshan replied some six weeks later explaining that I was free to distribute the track as long as it was not for profit. Now, about eight weeks ago I had a small number pressed and I pretty much sent copies to anyone who's anyone because, as well as the blogs were promoting it, I felt that vinyl was still pretty much the way forward for 'getting my name out there'. Fickle yes, I admit that, but I have a couple of other releas